AkzoNobel Yacht Coatings · perception study 2026

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Executive summary

At its core, this study finds that where coatings themselves are seen as close to parity between companies, people matter as much as the product. What wins and keeps loyalty is the reassurance customers feel - the reps they deal with, the support they receive and the overall relationship with the manufacturer. Premium brands are expected to come with premium service; this reassurance is one territory that no brand in the market has yet claimed as its own.

1

The market prizes quality, performance and finish - not innovation or sustainability.

When buyers are asked what matters most to them, quality (55%), performance (43%) and finish (34%) are clearly priorities; sustainability (6%) and innovation (1%) do not feature in our findings. No brand is seen as meaningfully innovative in abstract - but the industry does value practical innovation that makes their jobs easier: fewer products, fewer steps, faster and simpler application. Competition is increasingly decided by delivery rather than differences in formulation.

2

AkzoNobel dominates the market, but on the strength of distinct brands recognised in different ways.

Awlgrip has near-universal awareness worldwide (92%). So do International across Europe and Asia (96% aware) and Interlux in North America (94%). Awlgrip is the global market leader (48%) and dominates the Americas (61%); International leads Europe (43% vs Awlgrip's 39%); Interlux is named leader by 20% in North America. Awlgrip is the premium topcoat; International and Interlux are perceived as availability-and-support workhorses in their respective markets.

3

Awlgrip's position is strong but the brand must not rest on its laurels.

Awlgrip is recognised for its prestige and leads on finish and quality. But a common theme in our interviews was the perception that this might be based on heritage, with one interviewee invoking Nokia as a potential warning for the future. Its leadership position is real but is currently conditional on no one leapfrogging the brand. Our recommendation is not to rest on the name but to keep investing in the support that underpins it, including market presence, fast claims handling, and reps with real practical expertise.

4

Loyalty is high and switching is rare - but when it happens, it is because of brand failures.

Only about a quarter of respondents always use the same brand, but overall continuity is high because there's usually no technical reason to move. 51% name performance issues as a trigger for switching. The factor that retains customers is the people and service around the product as much as the product itself. With respect to AkzoNobel, one interviewee told us that "the products are on par… but the people are substantially better."

5

What buyers value splits sharply by segment and region.

Distributors prize availability (47%, vs 21% for owners); retailers and owners prioritise performance (58%) and finish; boatyards and applicators rely hardest on technical support (35%). Regionally, Europe values brand prestige far more than anywhere (30% vs 10% in the Americas), Asia-Pacific is the most value- and availability-driven (value 38%), and sustainability ranks near the bottom as a buying factor everywhere, Europe included (5%).

6

Sustainability is not a near-term purchase driver.

Responses ranged from indifferent to frosty - "Is it a driver? Zero. Unless the law changes." In the survey it ranks near the bottom as a buying factor in every region; the only genuine interest sits with a European minority that were interviewed, and even there the feedback is that this is mainly led by regulation rather than values.

7

International and Interlux carry clear, distinct identities

Interlux's warmth and personal service in North America is recognised as an asset to protect. Interlux is far less differentiated at home (22% top-two-box) than International is in Europe (40%), and trails Awlgrip much more heavily in its own market (20% to 61% as market leader). Interestingly, each brand is recognised for different qualities in their respective markets. Interlux is recognised for its dependability and personal service. Conversely, International is seen as an availability workhorse in Europe and Asia.

8

The most actionable near-term request was about margin protection, not product qualities.

The single most consistent unprompted request from distributors and dealers in the resale channel was price protection, and it was sharpest in the US, where online discounting of dealer stock is most established. We repeatedly heard that where competitors offer it they win business back; one dealer returned to a brand the moment it protected its price.

objectives & approach

Objectives and approach

Our approach was built on delivering a clear, evidence-based understanding of how Awlgrip, International, Interlux and Sea Hawk are perceived across the global yacht coatings market, and how these perceptions shape real-world brand choice.

By combining quantitative and qualitative research, the study captures the measurable realities of brand awareness, differentiation and channel influence, as well as the underlying motivations, expectations and behaviours of key professional and consumer audiences.

This mixed-method structure identified where the brands currently sit in the market, how they compare to competitor sets, and where opportunities exist to strengthen positioning, sharpen messaging and clarify the distinct role of each brand.

Our goal is to deliver a definitive, actionable picture of the brand landscape, and one that empowers AkzoNobel to refine its strategy, strengthen its competitive advantage, and build greater relevance and resonance across all key regions and customer groups.

Specific objectives

  1. Measure brand awareness and recognition for each brand.
  2. Understand key brand associations and attributes (e.g. innovation, quality, value, prestige, sustainability).
  3. Identify points of differentiation and overlap between Awlgrip, International, Interlux and Sea Hawk.
  4. Explore regional and customer-segment variations in perception.
  5. Provide actionable insight to refine brand positioning, architecture and communication strategy.
  6. Understand the current channel mix and influence drivers across brands and regions - identifying where each brand is most visible, trusted and purchased, and where there are gaps or conflicts in channel strategy.

Our approach

  1. 1
    Internal review & desk research
    Review existing brand tracking, sales data and any prior research to set context.
  2. 2
    Internal questionnaire
    Short online survey with AkzoNobel sales and technical staff (target n=20–25) to capture the "inside view" of brand strengths and weaknesses.
  3. 3
    Quantitative survey
    Online survey with trade professionals - boatyards, distributors, retailers and owners (target n=300). Regional split: 40% North America, 40% Europe, 20% APAC.
  4. 4
    Qualitative depth interviews
    Up to 25 in-depth interviews with senior trade contacts (target NAM 12–13, Europe 12–13) to add texture and narrative to the quant findings.
  5. 5
    Analysis & synthesis
    Cross-tabulations; brand-health metrics; thematic coding of interview transcripts; comparison of internal (Phase 2) and external (Phase 3/4) perceptions.
  6. 6
    Reporting & delivery
    Comprehensive full report; executive summary; results walkthrough presentation; verbatim interview transcript appendix; brand perception maps; segmentation analysis (regional and audience-type).
methodology

How the survey was run

The sample we set out to reach, what was achieved, and how respondents were recruited.

Achieved sample237 against a target of 300
By region
6712842
AmericasEuropeAsia
By group
976674
Boatyard / applicatorDistributorRetailer / owner / captain

Target sample

A target sample of n=300 was set for the survey, with a split of 40/40/20 across North America, Europe and Asia. The aim was to reach minimum quotas on a regional basis across three groups: boatyard/refit yard and applicator, distributor, and retailer/owner/captain.

The total sample collected was n=237, with regional splits of Americas n=67, Europe n=128 and Asia n=42. These groups are too small to consider splitting by role. Across the three stakeholder groups the sample was: boatyard/applicator n=97, distributor n=66, and retailer/owner/captain etc. n=74.

Sample recruitment

Recruitment was planned with 80% coming through AkzoNobel's marketing databases, with the remainder recruited through paid social media and the Saltwater database. The use of specialist media titles was also considered.

Recruitment ran in two waves. Wave 1, using AkzoNobel's database and paid channels, struggled to secure responses over a three-week period, resulting in n=24 and a very low response rate. This wave was abandoned in early April.

Wave 2 reduced the length of the survey to minimise fatigue and included other actions to boost the response rate. It ran for a month, from 24 April to 26 May, securing n=213 responses and relying on several collectors:

  • AkzoNobel marketing database - n=129
  • Saltwater paid promotion, including social and paid newsletter placements - n=84

The survey sits alongside 21 in-depth stakeholder interviews, which are quoted throughout this report and collected in full in the verbatim appendix to the interactive version.

The ranking

Key attributes - our findings

What mattered most to the 205 respondents who ranked the attributes: how often each made the top three, and each attribute's average rank when all twelve are included.

Durability and finish are valued more consistently than their top-three share suggests, so they climb on average rank. Availability and value for money matter intensely to some buyers but are passed over by many, so they fall back in the overall ranking. Quality and performance lead on both.

part two

The survey in full

The topline results from the quantitative study.

Sample profile

237 trade professionals: mostly boatyards and distributors, almost all active in yacht coatings within the last six months.

the market

Brand awareness

Awlgrip, International and Interlux all enjoy near-universal awareness and are the most-used brands. Competitors are more recognised in regional and category niches. The two that punch above their usage - Alexseal in the Americas, Jotun in Europe - are the ones interviewees describe as most aggressive on the ground.

Usage holds up across newbuild, maintenance and refit for the AkzoNobel brands; for competitors, Pettit and Epifanes are stronger in aftermarket.

Product categories used, by project type

Every project type uses most categories, so differences are modest. Newbuild leans least on antifouling (81% against 89% for maintenance & repair) and most on interiors; refit leans hardest on topcoats (91%) and varnishes.

Q5 (project type) is multi-select, so the columns overlap: 58% of respondents work across more than one project type and 23% do all three. Therefore, read these as tendencies within a shared base, not as separate groups. n=235.

Dominant category association

Each card shows the brand's strongest category tie: 99% of those who rated Awlgrip connect it with topcoats.

what matters most

What matters most, by region

The attributes buyers rank in their top three shift by region. Europeans are three times more likely to rank brand prestige in their top three than Americans; value for money matters more in Asia than elsewhere, though it still ranks outside the top three; and sustainability sits near the bottom everywhere - lowest of all in Europe.

Distributors place availability far higher than retailers and owners do; quality leads for everyone.

audience

What each segment values

The three main trade segments don't value the same qualities. Distributors prize availability, retailers and owners chase performance and finish, and boatyards and applicators lean hardest on technical support.

In Europe and Asia every trade segment uses International the most; in North America Interlux leads instead, shown here as its own bar. The Interlux figures rely on small North American sub-bases, so read them as directional. Boat owners and retailers are much less likely than trade customers - boatyards, applicators and distributors - to have been involved in an Awlgrip project in the past 24 months.

brand associations

What each brand is known for

Every brand across all twelve attributes, on the same axes - so the shapes can be read side by side and compared directly.

The share of respondents associating each attribute with the brand.

competitive landscape

Brand attribute associations - what each brand stands for

Brand prestige is where the premium brands separate most clearly: Awlgrip 69, International 54, Interlux 33, Sea Hawk 36. These are the global associations.

what differentiation rests on

What differentiation rests on

Those who see Awlgrip as the market leader prioritise finish; International's lean to technical support and value for money.

inside vs outside

What we believe, and what the market sees

Staff rate the brands higher than the market does on most attributes - the exception is sustainability, which the market recognises in the products more than staff do, even though it barely drives a purchase either way.

Internal survey of 36 AkzoNobel staff (mainly sales and technical service, weighted to Europe and North America), February 2026, set against the market survey of 237. Availability was not asked in the internal survey.

standing

Market leader & differentiation - Awlgrip leads on both

Awlgrip is seen as the market leader and the most differentiated brand in the field.

positioning

Where the brands sit

Two maps, stacked: a simple value map, then a fuller correspondence map that uses all eight qualities at once.

1 · Value map — prestige and value for money

Each brand is plotted by two things the market told us - how prestigious it feels (left to right) and how good value it feels (bottom to top). The more prestigious a brand looks, the less value people credit it with. Awlgrip sits alone in the high-prestige corner; International, Interlux and Sea Hawk cluster in the value zone. The point to take away is that Interlux is priced as a premium brand but perceived as a value one.

PRESTIGE & VALUEHIGH PRESTIGEVALUE-LEDLOW ON BOTHless prestige ← perceived prestige → more prestigeseen as better value →AwlgripInternationalInterluxSea HawkAlexsealJotunPettitEpifanesHempel *Boero *Seajet *
Hover or tap a brand to spotlight it and read its prestige and value scores.

Q10 · Perceived prestige and value-for-money, every tested brand; * marks small bases (n<25). Note on method: the survey measured how prestigious and good-value each brand feels, not its price. ‘Premium’ in AkzoNobel’s sense is a price position.

2 · Correspondence map — every quality at once

This reduces all eight quality associations to a single map, so a brand sits toward the qualities it is most strongly linked with.

AvailabilityPrestigeDurabilityFinishPerformanceQualityTech supportValueAwlgripInternationalInterluxSea HawkAlexsealJotunPettitEpifanesHempelBoeroSeajet
Hover or tap a brand to spotlight it and read the qualities it is most associated with.

Correspondence analysis of Q10 - the eight quality associations reduced to two axes (85% of the variation). A brand sits toward the qualities it is most associated with; hover to light those qualities. Every tested brand shown; small bases (n<25) faded, and the two tiniest (n≤10) pulled inward where their position is least reliable.

Awlgrip International Interlux Sea Hawk competitors
regional spotlight

North America

In North America Interlux holds the wider preference - 45% to 33% - but Sea Hawk is a genuinely liked specialist and the gap is narrow. Awlgrip leads the region overall, sitting in the premium topcoat tier above this fight.

Interlux vs Sea Hawk: North American preference

regional spotlight

Europe

European respondents value brand prestige far more than other regions, lean less on value for money, and rank sustainability the lowest of anywhere.

regional spotlight

Asia-Pacific

Asia-Pacific is the most value- and availability-driven region - and, unusually, gives sustainability its highest billing, though this is still low.

Note: small regional base (n≈37–42).
behaviour

Loyalty

Nearly half choose brand by project, and only a quarter always use the same brand. Performance issues and a better finish are the strongest reasons to move. North America - Interlux's home market - is the least loyal, splitting roughly 40/60 loyal-to-switch. Price weighs far more heavily in Asia, where 53% would switch for a better price - against around a third in Europe and the Americas.

influence

How the market hears about brands

People and word of mouth are key drivers of influence. Applicators and yards, manufacturer reps, and owners and captains are the sources buyers name most often; brand websites, online research, trade press and events matter, but less so.

By the brand people use

The word-of-mouth pattern repeats across our dataset. The clearest variation is online presence: International and Pettit draw a little more from online research than the rest of the field, though even for them it remains a secondary channel.

By who they name as the market leader

Relationship channels dominate for both Awlgrip (n=89) and International (n=55). Those who see Awlgrip as the leader lean slightly more on brand websites, while those who name International are markedly more influenced by trade-press coverage.

Shares shown to the nearest whole percent. Bases below thirty are not reported.

two brands, one product line

Interlux and International, side by side

International and Interlux are two distinct brands, each with its own footprint, numbers and reputation - International across Europe and Asia, Interlux in North America. Here is how each is used, rated and ranked in its own market.

20%
name Interlux the market leader in North America
against Awlgrip's 61%
58%
link prestige to International in Europe & Asia
just 33% for Interlux in North America
22% / 40%
Interlux vs International top-two-box differentiation
Interlux is the less-differentiated brand at home
Premium in price, not in perception

Interlux is priced as a premium brand - and has the same premium shelf price as International - but in North America it is not perceived as premium: only a third of buyers link it to prestige (33%), against 58% for International in Europe and Asia. In other words, the price positioning is premium; the perception is workmanlike. That gap - premium cost, mid-market standing - is the central question for AkzoNobel regarding Interlux.

Interlux is markedly less differentiated in North America (22% top-two-box) than International is in Europe (40%). In North America the contest that matters for Interlux is against Sea Hawk in the antifouling space, where the two are already splitting the channel - Sea Hawk preferred by US distributors and retailers, Interlux by boatyards. On numbers, the two are close on value (Sea Hawk 40%, Interlux 36%), but Sea Hawk's strongest association is performance (68%), not value - so its antifouling reputation rests on more than price, which matches AkzoNobel's own positioning of Sea Hawk as a premium antifouling.

Both names are near-universally recognised in their own markets: International is known to 96% in Europe and 98% in Asia, Interlux to 94% in North America.

Usage is where they diverge. International is used or specified by 82% in Europe and 83% in Asia; Interlux by 63% in North America - a strong figure, but below its European counterpart.

In North America, Interlux is associated with an average of 2.3 coating categories - antifouling leads at 95%, then primers at 56%. International, across Europe, spans more ground (3 categories on average): antifouling again leads (90%), but it is also strongly linked to primers (68%) and fillers (59%).

International carries a broader attribute profile (5.6 associations in Europe, 6.1 in Asia) than Interlux does in the North American market (4.5). Performance and quality lead for both; availability is the dominant association for International in Asia.

Brand prestige is the sharpest divide: it is far more associated with International in Europe and Asia (58% each) than with Interlux in North America (33%). Interlux is trusted and workmanlike in North America rather than recognised for any particular prestige qualities.

In its home market Interlux secures 20% market-leader endorsement against Awlgrip's 61%. International is named leader by 43% in Europe (ahead of Awlgrip's 39%, with Alexseal on 9%) and by 41% in Asia (Awlgrip 54%).

Interlux is the less-differentiated brand: top-two-box differentiation in North America is 22%, against 40% for International in Europe and 37% in Asia.

Loyalty follows the same gradient. North America splits roughly 40/60 loyal-to-switch; Europe is more even at 51/49 and Asia loyal-leaning at 58/42.

Performance issues are the main switching trigger for both brands. Better finish also matters in North America and Europe; in Asia, availability and price tie as the second reason, and Asian buyers cite more switching reasons on average (4.4) than North Americans (3.4) or Europeans (3.5).

segmentation · M&R vs newbuild / refit

Maintenance & repair vs newbuild / refit

Operators working only in maintenance & repair (n=61) compared with those working only in newbuild or refit (n=42). Small bases, so read these as direction rather than precision.

73%
of newbuild / refit used Awlgrip
against 30% of M&R operators
49%
of M&R name International or Interlux the leader
International 38% + Interlux 11%, vs Awlgrip 28% - the reverse of newbuilds
60/40
M&R loyalist-to-switcher split
newbuild / refit 62/38; total sample 50/50

This data shows that M&R operators are more likely to be involved in applying coatings than newbuild/refit operators. Newbuild/refit yards are also more likely to be based in Europe, which accounts for the difference in regional sample sizes.

Newbuild/refit operators are vastly more likely to have used Awlgrip in the past 24 months (73% vs 30%).

Newbuild operators are more likely than M&R to be working with topcoats (82 vs 69) and interiors (46 vs 27); M&R are more likely to be working with antifouling (92 vs 77) and fillers (73 vs 59).

Performance and quality are top attributes for each group, appearing in both groups' top-ranked options. For M&R, availability is also in the top three on average rank; for newbuilds it is replaced by finish. The big differences in average ranking (more than one rank apart) are value for money, which M&R rank more highly (5.7) than newbuilds (7.9); craftsmanship, which newbuilds (6.9) rank more importantly than M&R (8.8); and brand prestige (newbuilds 6.1 vs M&R 8.0).

For information sources, applicators/yards (M&R 50% vs newbuilds 55%) and boat owners/captains (M&R 50%, newbuilds 45%) matter to both, as do manufacturer reps (39% vs 45%). The differences are that M&R place more importance on peer recommendations (31% vs 23%) and distributors (30% vs 23%) than newbuild operators do.

Newbuilds name Awlgrip market leader most often (50%); International is second on 31%, with Interlux adding a further 6% in North America. For M&R this reverses: International leads on 38% and Interlux adds 11%, against Awlgrip's 28%. Interlux's segment figures rest on very small North American bases (6 M&R respondents, 2 newbuild), so read them as directional. Across both segments, AkzoNobel brands still take the majority of leader votes.

Specialists - both M&R-only and newbuild-&-refit - are more likely than the total sample to be brand loyalists. On Q17 the total sample, with its large block of less-discriminating operators, splits evenly (50/50) between loyalists and switchers. Among the specialists there is a clearer preference to stick with their brand: M&R-only operators split 60/40 loyalist/switcher, and newbuild-&-refit operators 62/38.

Reasons for switching are slightly more diversified for M&R operators; performance and price are the main drivers. For newbuilds, performance and better finish lead. The differences between the groups are in performance (M&R 43% vs newbuild 52%) and finish (35% vs 48%). Directionally, M&R value their relationship with sales reps (33% vs 24%), technical support (22% vs 31%) and innovation (33% vs 21%) - but these last three rest on tiny bases and should not be relied on.

the interviews

What the interviews told us

A question-by-question summary of what we heard and the themes that recurred most.

The businesses, and how decisions get made

1Tell us about your role, your business, and the types of yachts and projects you work with.

Respondents span the full coatings value chain - distributors (the largest group), refit yards and applicators, superyacht builders, chandlery/retail stores, plus a handful of coatings consultants, private owners and an adjacent-industry (overland camper) manufacturer. Boat sizes range from sub-12m lake fishing boats and DIY trailer craft right up to 100m-plus custom superyachts, with most respondents specialising in a clear band. A recurring theme is that many are not pure paint sellers but offer technical advice, project guidance and full shipyard or chandlery services around the product. Several are long-established family businesses, some dating back over a century.

Key themes
  • Whole value chain. The sample covers distributors, applicators/refit yards, superyacht builders, retailers, consultants and owners, giving very different vantage points on the same brands.
  • Wide size spectrum. Markets range from small DIY and fishing boats under 12m to 100m+ custom superyachts, with each respondent tending to occupy a defined niche.
  • Role of advisors is clear. Many distributors and chandleries position themselves as technical advisors offering specification help and project guidance, not just product supply.
  • Regional and segment focus. Respondents are geographically spread and split between leisure/retail and professional/superyacht segments.
  • Long-standing businesses. Several are multi-generational or decades-old family firms, often with 30+ year ties to the Awlgrip/International brands.
2How long have you been involved in yacht coatings, and how long have you worked with AkzoNobel?

Tenure is generally long, with many respondents reporting 20-40 years in yacht coatings and several whose companies have stocked International/Awlgrip for 30+ years. A common thread is that the relationship with AkzoNobel predates the current individual – often, these relationships are inherited through a family business or long company history. A notable sub-theme is distributors who left and rejoined the Akzo family, and several brand-switch stories driven by changes in sales reps or warranty support.

Key themes
  • Deep experience. Many cite 20-40 years personally in coatings, with company relationships to International/Awlgrip often spanning 30+ years.
  • Inherited relationships. For family businesses, involvement with AkzoNobel precedes the respondent - they grew up in it or joined an established account.
  • Leaving and rejoining. Some distributors were dropped as Akzo distributors years ago and returned to the fold via acquisitions such as Sea Hawk.
  • Reps drive switches. Changes in sales reps and warranty backing prompted moves between brands, with a strong, knowledgeable rep credited for winning business.
  • A constant amid change. Awlgrip is described as having changed hands, countries and ownership repeatedly, with a few distributors seeing themselves as the rare constant.
3How many coatings projects are you involved in per year, and what is the split between newbuild and refit/aftersales?

Volumes vary enormously by business type, from superyacht builders delivering ~25 boats a year to refit yards doing hundreds of bottom-paint jobs but only dozens of topside jobs annually. The newbuild versus refit split is sharply segmented: superyacht builders are almost entirely newbuild, while most yards and chandleries are overwhelmingly refit and maintenance, with newbuild often described as rare in their region. Several distributors note exact counts are hard to pin down because of spec timing and sales through third parties.

Key themes
  • Builder vs refit split. Superyacht builders are predominantly newbuild; refit yards, chandleries and most distributors are overwhelmingly refit, aftersales and maintenance.
  • Volume by segment. Counts range from ~25 newbuilds a year at a superyard, to hundreds of bottom-paint jobs at a busy yard, down to a dozen camper shells at an adjacent manufacturer.
  • Hard to forecast. Distributors say exact numbers are elusive because of spec-boats, variable build times and product reaching boats through several intermediaries.
  • Bottom vs topside. Yards distinguish high-volume routine bottom painting from far fewer, more involved topside/full-paint projects.
  • Newbuild scarce locally. Several regions have little or no newbuilding, leaving refit as the core market.
4How are coating decisions made - who is involved, when are brands decided, and what is your role in specifying or recommending?

Coatings decisions are generally shaped by a small group - yard, owner/captain, applicator and the paint rep or consultant - but the dominant force is habit and the yard's established system: people stick with what they know works and what their workforce is trained on. In newbuild, the specification is usually yard-led and often locked early. In refit, the prior coating on the boat is the strongest predictor (respondents repeatedly cite ~80-90% of refit choices being predetermined by what is already on the hull), with painters and increasingly surveyors/consultants acting as trusted recommenders. Less expert buyers largely defer to the chandlery or yard.

Key themes
  • Habit and familiarity. The strongest driver is sticking with a known, proven system the applicators are trained on, because consistency reduces the risk of costly failure.
  • Spec set early. In newbuild, the yard leads the specification and often locks the brand before sale, so distributors must influence the spec early.
  • Refit follows the hull. In refit, the existing coating largely predetermines the choice - several yards estimate 80-90% of decisions are dictated by what was applied previously.
  • Painter and surveyor influence. Applicators pick what gives them the best finish, and surveyors/consultants increasingly act as the trusted first recommender to owners.
  • Advising the uncertain buyer. Retailers and owners who don't know what they need lean heavily on the store or yard, which steers them towards its preferred line.
  • Cost and risk trade-off. Price matters at the cheaper end, but at the superyacht level aesthetics and risk avoidance outweigh cost.

How the brands are seen

5Which AkzoNobel brands do you use, stock or specify (Awlgrip, International, Interlux, Sea Hawk) - single products or whole systems?

Usage is heavily weighted towards Awlgrip for topcoats and International for primers, fillers and antifouling, used as part of a full or mixed system rather than isolated products. Awlgrip is the premium superyacht topcoat and is the default at the high end, while distributors serving the mass market often don't sell it because it demands specification expertise. Sea Hawk is more of a dividing line: well used for antifouling in the US, but largely unknown or unavailable in Europe. Mixed systems are common and accepted.

Key themes
  • Awlgrip for topcoats. Awlgrip is the dominant, premium topside choice, especially at the superyacht end where it is often near-universal.
  • International for the underbody. International primers, fillers and antifouling are widely stocked and respected, frequently used beneath an Awlgrip or even competitor topcoat.
  • Sea Hawk's US/Europe divide. Sea Hawk is established and valued for antifouling in the US but largely unknown or unavailable in Europe, with certification delays repeatedly blamed.
  • Mixed and full systems. Respondents typically buy whole systems but freely mix brands - International filler under Awlgrip, or Awlgrip topsides over Sea Hawk underwater.
  • Not for the mass market. Several distributors avoid pushing Awlgrip to non-experts because it requires specification skill, steering laymen to easier products.
6What are your perceptions of each AkzoNobel brand - overall impression, who it is for, strengths and weaknesses?

Awlgrip is perceived as the premium, benchmark topcoat - the historic number one, still the "most premium" name and a byword for durability - but this now sits alongside two concerns: batch-quality inconsistency ("if you have a good batch") and a sense of complacency or weakened technical support that has let competitors gain ground, with several saying the brands are now technically interchangeable. International is strongly regarded for primers, fillers and antifouling but seen as needing to innovate. A consistent thread is that product quality is rarely the differentiator - perceptions hinge on support, relationships, availability, price and ease of application.

Key themes
  • Awlgrip as the benchmark. Widely seen as the premium, historic number-one superyacht topcoat - durable, "bulletproof" and a recognised selling point.
  • Batch and consistency doubts. Multiple applicators qualify their praise with "if you have a good batch", citing batch failures and seeing this as a known, growing weakness.
  • Complacency lets rivals in. Consultants and yards describe an "arrogant laziness" and weakened technical support that has let competitors such as Jotun reach near-parity.
  • International strong but static. International is praised for primers, fillers and antifouling but seen as needing to innovate to hold its premium perception.
  • Acquired brands are underbacked. Sea Hawk and Flexdel are rated as good products undermined by certification delays, past devaluation, discontinued lines and thin marketing support.
  • Application ease decides. Across brands, the painter's experience - ease of spraying, repairability, predictable results - often matters more than headline quality.
7Where does each brand sit in the market - premium, mid-market or value?

AkzoNobel's coatings are near-universally placed at the premium end, with Awlgrip the clearest premium topside brand and International spanning a broader range from value antifouling up to premium. Most respondents say "premium" but mention this with caveats: it is expensive, carries low margin for distributors, and price sensitivity is rising. Segment matters - chandlery/retail buyers are largely value-driven, while builders, owners and refit yards treat premium as a given. Several flag that the premium position is under pressure from cheaper entrants (notably Jotun).

Key themes
  • Awlgrip as premium benchmark. Awlgrip is consistently named the premium topside standard, with Awlcraft seen as the only choice for acrylic.
  • Low margin despite high price. Distributors and dealers repeatedly complain the products are expensive yet leave little margin, especially on the International side.
  • International spans the spectrum. International is positioned across mid to high-end, with an antifouling line running from budget tiers up to premium.
  • Rising price sensitivity. Several respondents note sticker shock and a value-driven customer base, with the economy making buyers reluctant to pay premium pricing.
  • Premium position under threat. Cheaper but credible rivals like Jotun, plus end users prioritising price over quality, are squeezing the sustainability of a premium-only stance.
8Do the AkzoNobel brands feel clearly differentiated from each other, or do they overlap?

Views split on whether the AkzoNobel brands are clearly differentiated. Insiders and many distributors keep Awlgrip and International/Sea Hawk mentally distinct, and several actively keep them separate when advising customers. But senior, non-technical buyers and some applicators see heavy overlap - same reps, same service, near-identical products under different names - with adjacent-industry manufacturers most critical, citing duplicate products sold under different labels, numbers and prices with no transparency.

Key themes
  • Clear to insiders, blurry to leaders. Those who read specs keep the brands distinct, but higher-up, non-technical decision-makers get confused by the multiple names under one parent.
  • Product duplication concerns. Adjacent manufacturers point to functionally identical products sold under different brands, numbers and prices with little transparency.
  • Shared reps and service. Several refit yards experience the brands as operationally one - the same contact handles International and Sea Hawk, with Awlgrip a separate call.
  • Distinct positioning by tier. Where differentiation is seen, it follows tiers - Awlgrip premium topside, Sea Hawk dependable day-to-day, Interlux more marketed.
  • Loyalty and merger risk. Regional diehard followings mean folding brands together risks pushing loyal customers to competitors like Pettit.
9Which competitor brands do you come across, and which compete most closely with the AkzoNobel brands?

In premium topside, Alexseal is the recurring and rising threat to Awlgrip, repeatedly cited as taking share, competing on price and support. In the US retail/antifouling space, Pettit is the main rival - well-run, with a praised sales team - alongside Sea Hawk. In Mediterranean, Nordic and emerging markets, Jotun is the dominant concern: a good product, aggressively priced, and a bigger threat to International than to Awlgrip. Other named competitors include Hempel, Boero and local national producers. A strong theme is market conservatism, and track record clearly is a barrier to entry.

Key themes
  • Alexseal rising on topside. Alexseal is the most-cited premium competitor to Awlgrip, gaining share on price, support and weight-ratio products.
  • Jotun on price. Jotun is the top concern in several markets - a genuinely good, aggressively priced product, competing more with International than Awlgrip.
  • Pettit in US retail. Pettit is the main North American rival, praised for a strong sales team and for filling gaps Interlux leaves open.
  • Regional and local rivals. Hempel, Boero, Axalta and local producers each compete in their geographies, often leveraging local-manufacture arguments.
  • Conservative, sticky market. Track record and family loyalty make entry slow, protecting incumbents but meaning lost yards are hard to win back.

Service, support and supply

10How do the brands perform on technical advice and support - and how does AkzoNobel compare with competitors?

Technical support is the most polarised topic and is overwhelmingly judged by the local rep rather than the brand. Where a strong rep with genuine hands-on painting experience is present, support is rated outstanding - responsive by phone/text/WhatsApp, on-site, and a direct line into the manufacturer. But the picture reverses in markets with thin coverage: Barcelona, the broader Mediterranean and parts of Europe report support as slow, under-resourced or "the worst in the market", with Alexseal and Jotun seen as more present. Recurring frustrations include too few technical people, slow colour/formula turnaround, and a patchy website blocking PDFs and safety data sheets.

Key themes
  • Rep-dependent, hands-on-expertise advantage. Support quality tracks the individual rep; the most praised are former painters who give real application advice, not just data-sheet recitation.
  • Direct manufacturer line. A key advantage is the rep being part of the company, giving faster answers than multi-line distributor reps who add a middleman.
  • Thin coverage in some regions. Mediterranean and European markets report support as slow, under-resourced or worst-in-class, with competitors reaching sites far faster.
  • Slow colour and formula turnaround. Several cite delays getting custom colours, recipes or metallic-formula fixes resolved, costing time and lost client moments.
  • Digital access gaps. A slick but unreliable website left users unable to download PDFs and safety data sheets for months.
11Do the brands provide adequate training for applicators, and how does it compare?

Awlgrip is repeatedly named the only brand that actively pushes to get applicators trained, which respondents accept as logical given the higher technical risk of spraying topcoats versus rolling antifouling. Training is hands-on and well-regarded where it happens - seminars, workshops, joint testing, on-site colour-matching and reps spraying alongside staff. The main gap is presence on the floor during live application in some regions. Antifouling/bottom-paint training is lighter, and several note competitors run similar workshops but rate Awlgrip's training on top locally.

Key themes
  • Awlgrip drives applicator training. Awlgrip is the only brand seen as actively pushing applicator training, justified by the higher skill and error risk in spraying topcoats.
  • Hands-on workshops and testing. Training is practical - joint workshops, product testing, colour-matching and reps spraying with staff - not just presentations.
  • Reps offset weak written data. Where printed application instructions fall short, reps come on-site to demonstrate, ensuring jobs succeed with newer products.
  • On-floor presence gap. High-level expertise exists, but someone overseeing actual mixing and spraying on board during a job is described as missing in some regions.
  • Lighter on antifouling. Bottom-paint training draws less demand and is often self-taught in-house, with support available on request.
12How do the brands perform on product availability and responsiveness?

Availability is generally rated good to excellent at the local/distributor level - many yards report next-day or within-five-days delivery and praise responsive reps and local mixing stations. The pain sits upstream and is concentrated on Awlgrip/AkzoNobel lead times: several distributors say lead times are worse than competitors', that delays have cost projects, and that hard-to-forecast products (notably fillers) leave them unable to supply. International is again trouble-free. Cross-border logistics into Europe and inventory financing in high-inflation markets are recurring structural problems.

Key themes
  • Strong local delivery. Distributors and yards widely report fast turnaround - same-day, next-day or within five days - backed by responsive reps and mixing stations.
  • Awlgrip lead-time weakness. AkzoNobel/Awlgrip lead times are repeatedly called worse than competitors', with delays having cost several projects.
  • Forecasting and filler gaps. Hard-to-forecast items, especially fillers and last-minute brand switches, leave distributors unable to stock for out-of-the-blue projects.
  • Cross-border logistics friction. Post-Brexit paperwork and changed transporters into Switzerland and Germany have stretched European transit from days to two or three weeks.
  • Inventory and damage issues. High-inflation markets struggle to fund buffer stock, and one distributor reports recurring transit damage specific to Awlgrip cans.
13How do the products perform in service - finish quality, durability, ease of application, consistency, value for money?

Respondents consistently rate the products as top-tier on finish, durability and consistency, with several saying they are "first or second" on the market and noting strong batch consistency and low warranty/recall rates. A dominant theme is that performance depends less on the paint and more on the applicator and the overall system, and that as application labour costs have risen the ease and speed of application matters more than the price of the paint. There was meaningful commentary around hardness as a trade-off (durable but harder to apply, polish and repair), while value-for-money perceptions split between premium buyers and price-sensitive segments.

Key themes
  • Applicator over product. Many argue the quality difference between brands is small and that variation between painters and the system outweighs what is "in the paint can".
  • Top-tier finish and durability. Products are repeatedly described as best or second-best, with mirror finishes and 10-15 year topside life cited as benchmarks.
  • Consistency and reliability. Strong batch-to-batch consistency and low warranty/recall incidence are seen as a major strength, easing application and reducing waste.
  • Hard finish trade-off. The hard topcoat gives durability but is less forgiving and harder to polish, blend or repair, demanding an experienced applicator.
  • Value is segment-specific. Premium buyers accept higher cost for longevity while price-sensitive owners prefer the cheapest paint and frequent recoats.

Innovation

14Which companies or brands stand out as most innovative?

The standout innovation cited overwhelmingly is the sprayable/spray filler, repeatedly called a "game changer" and "revolutionary" for replacing slow, wasteful hand-fairing on large hulls, alongside gloss finish primers. Innovation is closely tied to commercial models, with distributors financing and even owning the filler machines as a loss leader to secure the wider project. There is a clear split in tone: some see genuine, leading innovation, while others see little real change and question how much more innovation paint can take.

Key themes
  • Spray filler game-changer. The gun-applied filler is hailed as revolutionary for cutting manpower and waste on the labour-intensive fairing process, especially in newbuild.
  • Process-step reduction. Innovations like the gloss finish primer that eliminate a coat or step are valued for speeding the cycle and lowering labour cost.
  • Financed-machine model. Distributors fund or own the spray-filler machines as a near-zero-margin loss leader to lock in the higher-margin primers and topcoats.
  • Innovation scepticism. Several feel there are "no huge innovative moves", that boatyard tech is "Flintstones", and that you can only do so much to paint.
  • Antifouling and water-based focus. Innovation expectations centre on antifouling and lower-smell water-based products that suit regulated yards.

What drives choice - and what would change it

15What most influences your choice of coatings brand, and which sources of information do you trust most?

The single biggest driver of brand choice is the people behind the product - the local reps, technical support and "having your back" - which respondents say matters more than the product since the products are seen as broadly replicable. Trust comes overwhelmingly from first-hand experience, the recommendation of the paint-application company, word of mouth and personal relationships, with training seminars, boat shows and forums as key sources and explicit scepticism towards unofficial "inspectors" and YouTube. Loyalty is real but conditional, with several noting "no loyalty in our industry" and that price is increasingly the key argument for end users.

Key themes
  • People over product. Reps, technical backup and relationships are cited as the main reason for loyalty because the products themselves are seen as easily replicated.
  • First-hand experience and word of mouth. Trusted information is overwhelmingly personal trial, painter feedback and what peers have used, not independent studies.
  • Applicator drives the decision. The paint-application company is described as "leading the way", with its endorsement or rejection decisive for the brand.
  • Training, shows and forums. Product seminars, trade shows and superyacht forums in Palma and Amsterdam are valued channels for staying informed.
  • Price and availability rising. For end users price is increasingly the key argument, and well-represented global availability is a recurring requirement.
16What would make you switch away from your current or preferred brand?

Switching is consistently framed as failure-triggered: respondents say they will not move "unless there's a reason", with repeated product failures across multiple boats, a major quality issue, or loss of technical support being the main triggers. Pricing alone is rarely a deal-breaker because coatings are a small share of total project cost, and habit, accumulated system knowledge and inter-product incompatibility create strong inertia. Notable specific catalysts include product-line gaps, withdrawal of warranty on house brands, demand shifting to a rival, and customer-led pulls towards eco options.

Key themes
  • Failure as the trigger. Only repeated failures across multiple boats or a complete product failure would prompt switching; "no reason to change unless there's a reason".
  • Loss of support. Withdrawal of rep, marketing or technical support, or warranty being pulled on house brands, is cited as a real catalyst to move.
  • Price rarely decisive. Because coatings are a small fraction of total project and labour cost, even price rises seldom justify switching unless astronomical.
  • Inertia and incompatibility. Deep system knowledge, habit and the fact that brands are not cross-compatible on a hull make changing slow and risky.
  • Product gaps and demand shift. Holes in the range (notably aluminium paint) or demand swinging to a competitor like Alexseal could force a reluctant change.
17How important is sustainability becoming - for you, your customers, and what is driving it?

The dominant attitude is dismissiveness, with respondents repeatedly insisting performance and durability trump sustainability, that paint is inherently not environmentally friendly, and that companies "selling sustainability" are often greenwashing. The strongest consensus is that change is driven by regulation rather than customer demand. There is a clear regional/generational split: US and Caribbean voices are most performance-first and sceptical, while several European refit yards are notably more engaged, framing longevity and reduced recoating as sustainability and citing younger crews and crew-safety/VOC concerns as a genuine emerging driver.

Key themes
  • Performance trumps green credentials. Across regions respondents say customers pay for the paint to work, and durability matters far more than sustainability claims.
  • Regulation, not demand. The recurring view is that any change is forced by law, not driven by owners or end customers who largely don't care.
  • Greenwashing scepticism. Several see sustainability marketing as self-delusion, eco badges as "ridiculous", and bio claims as image rather than truth.
  • Regional and generational split. US and Caribbean voices are the most dismissive, while younger European refit yards engage actively, prototyping greener systems.
  • Longevity and crew safety angle. Where sustainability gains traction it is reframed as fewer recoats and lower VOCs for worker health rather than ocean health impacts.

Themes raised beyond guided questioning

A1Pricing, margins and distribution dynamics (price sensitivity, MAP pricing, dealer/wholesale structures).

Pricing dynamics dominated, with widespread concern that premium paint prices have risen sharply and that boating overall is pricing itself out of recreation. Independent dealers strongly favoured MAP pricing and price-protected products as protection against online undercutting, and lamented the loss of rebate and loyalty programmes and ongoing channel consolidation. Distributors described geographic variation in price sensitivity, the erosion of margins, and structural disadvantages where larger US buyers secure better discounts and grey-market buying undercuts authorised local distributors. The general view is that competing purely on price is a losing game.

Key themes
  • MAP and price protection. Dealers strongly back MAP pricing and price-protected lines to prevent online undercutting and stabilise their margins.
  • Premium price inflation. Sharp increases in premium paint prices, alongside copper and input costs, are raising fears that boating is pricing itself out of the market.
  • Race to the bottom. Respondents see competing solely on price as self-defeating in what is fundamentally a discretionary-income industry.
  • Channel consolidation. Independent dealers feel squeezed by acquisitions and big-distributor consolidation, leaving fewer options and weaker purchasing power.
  • Discount disparities. Larger US buyers and grey-market sourcing undercut authorised local distributors who cannot match the same discounts.
  • Lost loyalty programmes. Withdrawn end-user rebate schemes are remembered as a loss, with dealers noting how effective rebates were at moving product.
A2Specific negative experiences with AkzoNobel support or complaint handling.

Negative experiences centred on poor complaint handling, slow or opaque logistics, and reluctance to accept fault, with several respondents stressing these related to past teams or to International rather than the current AkzoNobel team they now value. Specific grievances included multi-week delivery delays where no one could trace the shipment, commercial staff specifying the wrong products against technical advice and leaving customers with worthless warranties, and applicators being blamed for failures they had documented evidence against.

Key themes
  • Reluctance to own mistakes. Respondents describe past teams being slow to admit fault, including blaming applicators for failures they could disprove.
  • Delivery and logistics opacity. Long delays where the office could not locate shipments and no one could be reached caused real frustration.
  • Wrong specification and weak warranty. Commercial staff specifying products against technical advice led to tank failures, costly repairs and warranties seen as worthless.
  • Slow support recovery. Valuable tools and processes, such as the colour-matching camera and damaged-pallet credit notes, were slow to resolve.
  • Past vs present team. Several frame the negatives as historic or tied to International, contrasting them with the current team they now rate positively.
A3Colour matching and colour service.

The few colour comments point to slow turnaround on bespoke colour recipes as a commercial problem, with one distributor describing a three-week wait with no response on a custom colour that risked a sizeable sale and forced a workaround through automotive recipes.

Key themes
  • Slow custom-colour turnaround. A bespoke colour request went unanswered for weeks, jeopardising a sale and forcing an internal workaround via automotive recipes.
  • Limited colour range. AkzoNobel is seen as offering fewer colour options than competitors.
A4Regional and regulatory issues (import friction, biocide-free antifouling transition, local market constraints).

Regional and regulatory friction emerged as a major and arguably underlying driver of market dynamics, with regulation and the shift to biocide-free or replacement antifouling repeatedly cited rather than product preference alone. In Canada, slow and expensive approvals and unmonitored grey-market imports cost authorised distributors business. In Europe, respondents described VAT, VOC taxes, customs friction, Swiss restrictions limiting International to a handful of approved products, French preference for locally made paint, and the banning of VC 17, which forced a scramble for a private-label replacement that ultimately outsells the official line. Regulatory approval and biocide rules shape which products can compete as much as quality or price.

Key themes
  • Biocide-free transition. Bans on products like VC 17 and the absence of good replacements drive market shifts, with private-label substitutes filling the gap.
  • Regulatory approval delays. Slow, costly approvals keep products off the market and raise doubts about whether the market is worth the cost.
  • Import and customs friction. VAT, VOC taxes, customs and country-specific approval limits add cost and restrict which products can be sold.
  • Grey-market imports. Unapproved imports undercut compliant distributors who lose business by doing the right thing.
  • Local manufacturer advantage. National pride and local production help domestic brands gain share against international suppliers.
part three

Looking ahead

future needs

Improve & deliver

“Looking ahead, what should coatings brands improve or deliver, and how should they support your business in future?”

The most frequent asks are commercial and process-focused: distributors want pricing/margin protection so "everybody makes money", while builders and applicators want fewer steps and products in the cycle, ideally a sprayable filler that is already paint or a single coat. Filling product-range gaps is a strong theme, with repeated mention of a missing aluminium paint, hard coatings and discontinued lines. Better technical presence, tailored training, and reaching divers/end users in marketing recur, alongside a clear future demand for sustainable, lower-VOC products that still last and remain easy to apply.

Key themes
  • Fewer steps and products. Builders want their lives simplified, ideally a sprayable filler that is already paint or a one-coat system, to cut sanding and labour.
  • Margin and price protection. Distributors and dealers repeatedly ask for price protection on flagship lines so the distributor, dealer and brand can all make money.
  • Fill the range gaps. Recurring requests to plug holes, notably aluminium paint, hard coatings and discontinued water-based ablatives and Brightside colours.
  • Tailored training and tech presence. Wishes for hands-on testing on the brand's own panels, more technical reps who add value, and outreach to divers and end users.
  • Sustainable but durable. Future demand is for lower-VOC, healthier products that still deliver high gloss, longevity and easy application.
market leadership

Best positioned to lead

“Which brands are best positioned to lead the market over the next three to five years?”

Most respondents expect the competitive order to hold steady, with Awlgrip seen as the established topcoat leader and Alexseal as its closest challenger, while Jotun is viewed as an active newer entrant still needing time to prove long-term results and build name recognition. Several argue that leadership will be decided less by product innovation, where the brands are seen as broadly comparable, and more by which sales team works hardest and which distributor gets product onto the street. A few feel the brands under the AkzoNobel umbrella are well positioned because their scale gives them more field feedback and financial muscle to adapt.

Key themes
  • Incumbency helps. Respondents broadly expect little change, with Awlgrip remaining the dominant topcoat name and customers seeing no reason to switch absent a major leapfrog.
  • Alexseal as challenger. Alexseal is repeatedly named as Awlgrip's main competitor and the next strongest topcoat after it.
  • Jotun rising but unproven. Jotun's active new team and promotion are noted, but it still needs name recognition and long-term product results before people fully trust it.
  • Execution over innovation. Several see product quality as broadly equal, so leadership will hinge on the harder-working sales team and the distributor that gets product into the market.
  • Scale and feedback advantage. Larger brands are seen as better positioned because higher volume gives more field feedback and the financial strength to adapt.
advice

One piece of advice

“If you could give one piece of advice to AkzoNobel - or coatings manufacturers generally - what would it be?”

Advice centred on protecting people and channel relationships, defending premium positioning, and not becoming complacent, with several invoking Awlgrip's strong brand as something that could erode quickly if taken for granted. Independent dealers pushed hardest for MAP pricing and channel support to stop online price erosion. Others asked for better training, simpler and more interoperable product lines rather than relabelled and siloed systems, and a careful balance of sustainability with the aesthetic performance that makes paint matter. A recurring point was that AkzoNobel's people and support are seen as a genuine differentiator above the products themselves.

Key themes
  • MAP pricing and channel protection. Independent dealers want enforced MAP pricing and channel support to stop online discounting that cheapens the product and erodes their margins.
  • Don't get complacent. Several warn against resting on the Awlgrip brand, citing Nokia as a cautionary tale that a dominant name can be lost quickly.
  • People as differentiator. Respondents stress that AkzoNobel's people and support are substantially better than rivals' even where products are on par.
  • Simplify and integrate product lines. Customers want less segregation between marine, automotive and industrial lines, and fewer relabelled duplicates.
  • Balance sustainability with aesthetics. Move towards lower-footprint products but without sacrificing the finish and performance that keep paint central to a vessel's value.
  • Stay close to the customer. Advice to keep the customer at the centre, restore loyalty mechanisms like rebates, and support the end user and point of sale.
positioning snapshot

Where the brands stand

A snapshot of each brand on the evidence in this report - who it is for, what it is known for, the emotional pull underneath, and our recommended positioning.

Awlgrip

Who it's for

The premium topcoat standard at the top of the market, specified for newbuild and high-end refit where finish and reputation matter most.

Known for

Finish (77%), quality (76%) and prestige (69%) - the most clearly differentiated brand in the field.

The emotional pull

Pride and heritage - a badge of being "the best" - shadowed by a real fear that position may be eroding, and surrounded by customers' general frustration at being talked down to.

Recommended positioning

Fix the two things eroding the premium - slow claims and thin technical cover - before they cost share. Guarantee claims turnaround, put reps with genuine hands-on field expertise in the big refit hubs, and lead visibly on practical innovation (the sprayable filler) rather than resting on the name.

International

Who it's for

The dependable workhorse in Europe and Asia - specified across categories and regions for availability and support rather than prestige.

Known for

Availability (72%), performance (66%) and quality (62%) - strongest on being there when it is needed.

The emotional pull

Quiet trust - "never a problem... something on its own." Valued more than loved, and overshadowed by Awlgrip.

Recommended positioning

Sell International where it is already strong - availability and the widest below-the-waterline range - and defend antifouling now, before Jotun and private-label substitutes take more. Don't chase Awlgrip on finish or prestige.

Interlux

Who it's for

The North American brand, where the Interlux name and its people carry real local loyalty - an established North American institution.

Known for

Quality (62%), availability (59%) and performance (59%) - a workmanlike North American profile, lighter on prestige (33%) and finish (33%) than Awlgrip.

The emotional pull

Affection for a trusted institution - "an institution... you call them at 6pm on a Friday and they answer." Its warmth comes from being the established, full-line brand North American buyers have relied on for years.

Recommended positioning

Lead Interlux on North American service and dealer economics, not prestige: protect dealer margins with price protection, keep stock deep, and make the personal relationship the reason to specify - the ground a focused specialist like Sea Hawk cannot match at full-line scale.

Sea Hawk

Who it's for

A focused antifouling specialist winning in the Americas - the preferred antifouling for US distributors and retailers, largely unknown in Europe.

Known for

Performance (68%), quality (60%) and availability (57%) - a niche, well-regarded brand.

The emotional pull

Personal, owner-level access - "you can talk to them directly... I shoot him a text and quickly get an answer" - the scrappy, small-company closeness of a specialist, which buyers fear corporate ownership could erode.

Recommended positioning

Guard the edge that is real - direct, owner-level access and a single-minded antifouling focus - and protect the small-company responsiveness buyers fear corporate ownership will erode. Sea Hawk's territory is the specialist antifouling name in the Americas, not a service rival to Interlux; keep the fast, personal answers and resist over-corporatising the brand.

The unowned space

It is clear that the market prizes – and no competitor has fully claimed – brands that are perceived as having the market's back. Loyalty is derived from people and support provision, not to any particular coating ("it's the people that keep our alliance... the products can be replicated, the people cannot"). Our recommendation is to build master positioning around reassurance - "we've got your back" - and let each brand voice it in its own way.

part four

Strategic recommendations

The market has a clear and settled idea of what matters; buyers put quality, performance and finish at the top (ranked top three by 55%, 43% and 34%), while innovation and sustainability are priorities for almost no one (1% and 6%), and no brand, AkzoNobel's included, is credited with being especially innovative.

Another clear theme is that people prefer to keep using what they know, but they generally only shift brands when there has been a technical failure.

This inertia runs deep in our research. The knowledge a yard or distributor builds up around a brand, and the way its products work together as a system, make changing expensive in itself; as one distributor put it, once someone is "hooked on a brand" they are hard to move, because they are "creatures of habit." This protects AkzoNobel wherever it is the incumbent and works against it wherever it is the challenger.

That inertia sits more with the people applying the coatings than with the owner. When an application company loses confidence in a system it tends to move quietly to another on the next job.

Three broad recommendations follow. The first is brand architecture: how to define International and Interlux in their respective regions. The second is where to defend and where to press your competitors. The third, and largest, is whether to claim the space no competitor owns: a position built openly around people and service.

Brand architecture

Currently the brands rarely compete with each other, which works in AkzoNobel's favour.

Awlgrip is recognised as premium; it is most associated with prestige (69%) and least with value (16%). International is the dependable workhorse across Europe and Asia - it leads the field for availability (72%) and is the most widely used brand. Interlux is the North American brand: a workmanlike, well-stocked brand rather than a prestige one. Sea Hawk, an independent competitor, is a well-regarded antifouling specialist - associated more with performance (68%) and quality (60%) than with low price.

It helps that there is clear recognition in the market that Awlgrip and the below-the-waterline brands are not premium and budget versions of the same coating. International (and Interlux in North America) is the underwater and foundation brand, covering primers, fairing and antifouling; Awlgrip is the topcoat. One distributor described it as bread and butter, with antifouling as the bread: "you can have the bread without the butter, but never the butter without the bread".

However, there are two challenges. First, International is markedly stronger in Europe and Asia than Interlux is in North America. International is named market leader by 43% in Europe (ahead of Awlgrip) and 41% in Asia; Interlux takes just 20% in North America, against Awlgrip's 61%, and is rated clearly differentiated far less often (22% top-two-box, against International's 40% in Europe).

On the ground the two brands are well understood - the technical and trade figures we spoke to are clear which one they deal with in their own market. The confusion sits higher up: at a senior and corporate level, the two names genuinely get muddled with one another.

Second, on portfolios, currently both Awlgrip and International (or Interlux in North America) carry near-identical products under different names and prices, which the industry reads as opaque rather than reassuring, and distributors then keep the brands separate from the end customer, so very little credit flows back up to AkzoNobel.

There are gaps in the product line that create openings for competitor brands even among distributors that are loyal to AkzoNobel. Gaps include particular substrates, formulations suited to local regulations, and changing colours. AkzoNobel is viewed as being weakly responsive to changing regulation and slow to develop and launch new products and formulations, while competitors have products that better meet the need.

AkzoNobel should settle what each brand is for and the audience each serves, and bring some order to the overlapping product lines beneath them. Whether the structure ultimately stays as it is or is brought closer together is a strategic decision for AkzoNobel to take on the evidence.

The overlap now carries an operational cost, not only a perception one. A buyer dealing with the AkzoNobel brands often has two separate reps and can get a full cross-brand answer from neither - "the AkzoNobel reps don't know a ton about Awlgrip, and your Awlgrip reps know a tiny bit about AkzoNobel." In our view, this is a fixable irritation.

This is an argument for clarity. The confusion is real at specifier and corporate level, but hands-on distributors navigate it perfectly well, and several were anxious not to see the range merged away - "I hope they don't fold a whole bunch of products into one another." Settling what each brand is for should help to sharpen points of differentiation.

Awlgrip

Awlgrip is the best-defined brand in the study and the most differentiated by some way. It leads on finish (77%), quality (76%) and prestige (69%). The concern raised in the interviews is that it may be starting to coast on that reputation; one senior refit contact said Awlgrip was slowly becoming "just the name," and used Nokia as a point of comparison.

Currently, complaints are about reliability and support: batch and delivery problems, and a perception that technical advice has thinned out, with one major refit hub describing local technical support as "non-existent." Our findings show that those applying the coatings will tend to respond to this quietly, moving to another brand on the next job rather than raising it, increasing the risk of brand erosion over time.

Awlgrip is clearly a leader in topcoats and there is equity behind the brand name. In contradiction to the wider findings of this study, where it has genuinely innovated, with a sprayable filler that takes a step out of the process, the industry is enthusiastic and calls it a "game changer."

Our take on this contradiction is that people surveyed do not value innovation in the abstract (1%); what they value is a brand that stays reliable and well supported, and Awlgrip's standing now depends on its ability to be these things while also pushing the envelope.

The reliability concern is more specific than it first appears. Where applicators feel let down, and quietly switch, is on hard colours and special finishes - metallics and ultra-matte - rather than the product in general.

There is also one particular concentration risk worth naming. In the Netherlands a small number of large painters effectively decide where most Dutch-built yachts land, and the market "will always remember the things that went wrong." A reputation problem there is disproportionate to its size.

And the leadership is now genuinely contested in places. On parts of the US West Coast, Alexseal is held to have the better reputation, and it is support - not the product - that is keeping Awlgrip in front.

International

Across Europe and Asia, International is genuinely strong. In Europe it is named the market leader more often than Awlgrip (43% vs 39%), and it is more broadly associated and more clearly differentiated than Interlux is in the North American region (40% top-two-box differentiation in Europe against 22% in the Americas). Its strengths are apparent: the industry sees it as dependable and available, and in its own categories it is regarded warmly; one yard that is otherwise hard on Awlgrip said simply, "we love International." Availability is its most resonant quality, and a top-three consideration for nearly half of distributors.

Risks surround a perception of under-investment in antifouling; a distributor noted that below the waterline "the research of new products is low" at the precise moment biocide rules are changing and Jotun is competing hard on price.

The warning against assuming "because we are International, that will do the job" is prescient. The warning has already started to come true. Discontinued lines have left distributors scrambling mid-season, and in at least one market we were told that a private-label substitute now outsells the official International antifouling it replaced.

Interlux

Interlux is a clearly distinct, if paradoxical, proposition in its own right. In North America it is viewed as workmanlike rather than prestigious - which cuts against any internal picture of Interlux as the premium, luxury name - associated above all with antifouling (95%) and primers (56%), and credited with brand prestige by only a third of respondents (33%), about half the rate International reaches in Europe and Asia (58% each).

The defining fact about Interlux is that it is overshadowed in its own market by a sister brand. In North America, Awlgrip is named the market leader by 61% of respondents; Interlux secures just 20%. That is healthy for AkzoNobel overall, but it means Interlux has to earn its place on value, availability and dealer economics rather than on prestige.

Two competitive pressures are specific to the region. Pettit is a genuine North American rival - far better known to Americans (91% aware, used or specified by 45%) than anywhere else - and Sea Hawk contests the same antifouling space. The two look alike on the numbers - both quality- and performance-led - but they differ in character: our findings show a perception of Interlux as the broad, established full-line brand, Sea Hawk the focused, performance-led specialist (its top association is performance at 68%, against Interlux's quality at 62%) with owner-level responsiveness. Interlux still wins the head-to-head in the Americas (45% prefer it to Sea Hawk's 33%), but the margin is not commanding, and Sea Hawk is the better-known antifouling name among American distributors and retailers.

Interlux also carries the market's most switch-prone customers. North American respondents split roughly 40/60 between loyalists and switchers - the weakest loyalty of any region - and rate the brand as clearly differentiated far less often than Europeans do (22% vs 40% top-two-box). Performance and finish are the levers that move them, in that order.

The recommendation is to build Interlux's identity around the North American warmth and personal service that is its real equity - the established, full-line, personally-backed brand for North America, broad where Sea Hawk is a specialist, leaving the premium topcoat ground to Awlgrip. It can still compete on the price protection, dealer margin and local availability that customers clearly respond to, but the distinctive asset is around relationships and support, not prestige.

Sea Hawk

Sea Hawk is the most focused brand in the study. The market associates it almost entirely with antifouling (a 100% category tie) and credits it mostly on associated grounds: performance (68%), quality (60%) and durability (55%). It scores low on finish (23%) and prestige (36%).

Its position is heavily regional, and that is the defining fact about the brand. Awareness runs at 90% in the Americas and 88% in Asia but only 44% in Europe, and usage tells the same story far more starkly: 54% in the Americas against just 5% in Europe. As one interviewee put it, Sea Hawk is "well used for antifouling in the US, but largely unknown or unavailable in Europe." This is specifically a channel base - in North America, Sea Hawk is the preferred antifouling brand for distributors (50%) and retailers (60%), while boatyards lean to Interlux.

The European gap is not a marketing problem but a regulatory and supply one. Certification and registration delays were "repeatedly blamed" for the brand's absence. The decision is close to binary: either commit to the registration work needed to make Sea Hawk genuinely available in Europe, or accept that below the waterline Europe belongs to International, and stop spreading the brand thin in the meantime.

The study tells us that Sea Hawk and International are at risk of overlapping product lines that the industry finds opaque rather than reassuring. There is an opportunity to draw the line clearly so that the two stop competing with each other for the same shelf and start covering different ground.

There are also signs that the brand is underrated internally. On durability, the market rates Sea Hawk more highly than AkzoNobel's own staff do (55% versus 28%) - one of the very few attributes anywhere where the market is the more positive of the two.

Expertise and relationships

The most consistent finding in the interviews is that AkzoNobel's advantage is as much the relationships around the product as the product itself. The survey points the same way; innovation scores are flat across every brand - so no one is winning on product alone - and leadership comes down to who the industry trusts and works with most closely.

For the less expert buyer, AkzoNobel effectively stands in for their own judgement, choosing the product and vetting the job.

Two things complicate this. The advantage is built off individuals and is uneven by region; it is strong in some markets and thin in others, and it leaves when they retire. The industry's own test of loyalty is whether a supplier "has our back" when a job goes wrong, and is where AkzoNobel is evidently least consistent in our interviews.

The most technically credible interviewee described a "gatekeeper" culture - with claims handling that starts by blaming the painter, and a warranty that in practice he called "basically worthless."

The advantage has a specific source raised by people we spoke to: reps with genuine hands-on expertise in the field - people who have actually applied product. "If you're a paint rep and haven't painted, you are never going to be able to walk the walk." It is also why a rep in an AkzoNobel shirt beats a distributor's multi-line rep - the buyer is dealing with the manufacturer directly.

The weak link is structural. Several described a gatekeeper culture around claims that begins by blaming the painter, alongside an internal split in which "the commercial people shouldn't be specifying it, but don't want to stop." The warranty, in practice, was called "basically worthless" - the part of the relationship most at odds with the "has our back" test the industry sets.

What to lead on

The market is clear about what it rewards - finish and quality - and clear about what it does not currently buy on; sustainability and innovation.

Sustainability still needs handling, but it is clear that it cannot be done in a unilateral way.

Interest is moderate in Europe and slight in the US, and the only force the industry expects to drive real change is regulation, where AkzoNobel is currently perceived to be behind on the move to biocide-free antifouling. In one market, respondents were clear on the problems caused by the slow response to new regulation – "we've been waiting three years for them to produce the new product we were promised, in the meantime our competitors import it from across the border."

However, there is a clear opportunity on process - and it reframes what innovation means to this market. The survey says nobody buys on innovation; the interviews say buyers love anything that makes a job easier - fewer products, fewer steps, faster and simpler application.

The process opportunity is really a commercial one. Ease and speed of application is measurable labour saving, and that lets a premium product win on total cost rather than price - "I'm offering you this ease of application advantage that is going to make my product even better price than some of the others." The sprayable filler is the proof that AkzoNobel can lead here, and the industry's enthusiasm for it shows what genuine, useful innovation looks like to this market.

There is also a cheap, direct lever the trade asked for repeatedly: structured training and the chance to "spray it on our panels at your facility." It is clear that hands-on trials are what actually move a sceptical applicator onto a new product.

There is a related story in how quality is sold. At handover the premium brands look identical; the difference only shows up after a season in service, in durability and how the finish holds. That gives AkzoNobel an opening to differentiate on aftercare and long-term performance - at product or campaign level.

Channel economics

The most consistent unprompted ask from distributors and dealers - the resale channel, not end-retailers - was not about product at all, but about margins. The single most-named request was price protection: a minimum advertised price that stops them being undercut. The concern is sharpest in the US, where online discounting of dealer stock is most established. Where AkzoNobel's competitors do this, it wins business back: one dealer who had moved to Interlux returned the moment Pettit price-protected its antifouling. Where it does not, online sellers offering products for "close to what I pay for it" hollow out both margin and loyalty.

Priority actions

01
Treat support as the product Make claims handling and the warranty live up to the industry's own "has our back" test, and hire and keep reps with genuine hands-on expertise, who actually drive loyalty.
02
Protect distributor margins Introduce price protection (a minimum advertised price), the most-named unprompted ask, before online discounting hollows out both margin and the local support it funds.
03
Settle the brand architecture Define what International and Interlux each stand for in their respective markets - building Interlux's identity around its North American warmth and personal service, order the overlapping product lines, and give buyers one rep who can answer across all available brands in the region.
04
Shore up Awlgrip before the lead erodes Close the reliability and support gaps on the hard colours and special finishes where applicators quietly switch, and where Alexseal is already contesting it on support alone.
05
Defend International below the waterline Invest in antifouling and move faster on changing biocide regulation before Jotun, already taking measurable share, takes more.
06
Lead on process, not sustainability claims Back the fewer-products, fewer-steps innovation the market actually rewards - the sprayable filler the trade calls a "game changer" is the model.
07
Claim the uncontested space the market keeps rewarding No brand currently owns the positioning of being genuinely easiest to work with, fastest to respond, and most reliable when things go wrong. Build the master brand positioning around this reassurance - "we've got your back" - and let each brand voice it in its own way.

Sources: AkzoNobel quant survey n=237 (analysis tables) · 21 qualitative depth interviews, March to June 2026. Quotes anonymised by stakeholder segment. Built by BLUE Communications. Methodology: achieved sample of 237 survey responses and 21 depth interviews against a proposed 300 and 25; regional mix roughly 28% Americas, 54% Europe, 18% Asia-Pacific. Subgroup figures for North America and Asia-Pacific, and any finer regional or single-market cross-cuts, rest on small bases and are directional.

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Quote index

The summaries and themes for each question are in "What the interviews told us" above.

Tell us about your role, your business, and the types of yachts and projects you work with.73
Sales manager for [company]. So I support our outside sales and inside sales team, promoting the brands that we have and making sure our customers buy the right products for the application that they're working on. … We only ship and supply product in Canada. And we work with marine dealers, marine boat builders, refit and refit yards, boat yards, commercial, a little bit industrial. And so those would be the markets that we supply most of our paint products to, so anti-fouling as well as top coat.Coatings distributor · North America
I'm [name] [name]. I'm the Vice President of Operations for [company] and [company], our division in the East. I've been with [company] for over 30 years, working my way up through the company.Coatings distributor · North America
I'm currently running the quality department at [company] Super Yacht Division.Superyacht builder · Europe
My role is specifically on the superyard superyachts.Superyacht builder · Europe
We follow the construction of the newbuild, but then we have, as you can imagine, having more than 60 super yachts sailing around. We have after sales service as well. And after sales managers are frequently calling the quality department for help. I would not say that there is a refit department. The after sales service deals with the refits sometimes.Superyacht builder · Europe
From 44 to 75.Superyacht builder · Europe
I am [name] [name], and I am a head of quality for [company]. Both the shipyard in Livorno for the custom yacht in steel and aluminum, and for [company], we have mainly the fibreglass yachts. I'm in charge to writing painting specification in collaboration with our technical department and to perceive with the purchase during the meeting with the paint manufacturer to understand which could be our best for our products.Superyacht builder · Europe
I am a sort of point of touch with the technical, with the purchasing and with the contractor and paint manufacturer.Superyacht builder · Europe
We start to build a fibreglass yacht from 24-34 m up to 45. Then we have steel and aluminium yacht from 45 up on 100. It depends on whether it's a custom yacht, so our owner.Superyacht builder · Europe
[company] Verf is a wholesaler of paints, and then especially with the AkzoNobel products, as that's our biggest brand, so we really focus on the Awlgrip and international products. And our core business is selling the products, but what makes us unique is that we offer a lot of technical support and project guidance. So our sales team is both commercial but also technical, and they are able to assist our customers along the way of their products, projects. And they know a lot of the products.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's really different. So we have a sales people for the retail market, but also for the super yachts. So 60 meters plus, but we also do a lot of 20, between 20 and 35 meters. … we have salespeople that, like account managers that are focused on super yachts, on small boats, and yeah, other yachts. So it's really different, like all kind of boats actually.Coatings distributor · Europe
I started as a management assistant, but I changed to commercial manager. So I support sales team, I informed them about the updates of our suppliers and do the forecasting for the projects, everything they need.Coatings distributor · Europe
Our facility here has been around with its in its present, you know, present setup, present ownership, everything since about 1980. We primarily focus on Well, I guess primarily private pleasure craft up to about 80 feet is generally our market. We typically try to stick in the 65 and under, but we, you know, we have capacity to go up to about 80 feet. In the last few years, we have gotten heavy into municipality work like cities, counties, fire departments, police departments. We've been doing a lot of paint work for those guys. But generally it's a lot of private pleasure craft. We do a lot more than just paint. We do, you know, full shipyard service. So we do engine work, mechanical, electrical. You know, we do, we, our facility here specialises in wood boats and wooden restorations and that sort of thing. So we do a lot of the sport fishing boats from this area, you know, like the charter sport fishing boats. A lot of those run older wooden, you know, wooden boats.Refit yard / applicator · North America
So my official title is president of the company. I've been here since 2008. My day-to-day is different every single day. Sometimes it's office work, paperwork, compliance. Sometimes it's purchasing. Sometimes it's, you know, I'm one of a couple of people that we have here that are licenced to operate some of the, you know, hydraulic cranes and boom trucks and things that we have. I do some pickups and deliveries. And so I mean, it just, we have, we've got 26 people on payroll. So a small, you know, a small business means I'm kind of doing whatever needs to be done, whenever it needs to be done sort of a thing versus a specific job, you know, every single day.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I remember all the time when this chief, now a friend of mine, said, so why don't you come with me on yachts? And my answer was, on what? And 20 years later, I do believe I can call myself around about top five in coating industry. So I started from the very beginning as, let's say, crew, then [company] hired me.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And I was working as a project manager here for five years. And then I left to be an owners representative for one of the largest vessels. … And in this time, I do not know why, guys. Honestly, I always liked engines. I have big cars, Harleys whatsoever. But at one point, I found myself as a coating specialist. What went wrong, I still do not know.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Since, let's say, 15 years, I'm very specialized in educating myself when it comes to, let's call it surface treatment, you know, as a specialist, it's just not the shiny parts, it's also the industrial coating, the underwater areas, the tanks and so on.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
our coating business is 37 years old. I mean, distribution of coating products. And our involvement with the brand Awlgrip is also 37 years old. So, we have been exclusively selling, distributing Awlgrip throughout this period, and we continue to do so.Coatings distributor · Europe
the biggest involvement with the Awlgrip business is with the boatyards. So the majority of the marketing and sales and everything, probably maybe 90% of it is happening through the boatyards.Coatings distributor · Europe
Anything that I mentioned to you right now is above 35 meters. Our involvement, mind you, we do sell also to smaller boat projects sometimes. But if you look at the percentage there, our penetration is typically lower because, as the boat size gets smaller, there are other … considerations in the field. And a big majority of the boats that are under 35 meters are built in fiberglass. So typically, they're gel coated or just top coated.Coatings distributor · Europe
CCS, who are coating consultants in the yacht industry. So we work for owners, but we sometimes work for yards as well, doing the QA, helping with specifications. Obviously we get involved in claims sometimes. There isn't really that many coating consultants in the yacht industry. When I joined, we had six guys. We now have 15 guys in the market. I am technical manager. I have to read every report that ever gets written. And I do read every report that gets written, which approximates about now about 1300 reports a year.Coatings consultant
We work with customers, we work for Feadship and we sometimes work for owners at Feadship and Feadship are claimed to be the Rolls-Royce. So obviously their quality standards are very high. But we also work for customers that are building boats in Italy, a yard called the Italian Sea Group. And the Italian Sea Group temporarily have financial difficulties, but we've got a very big order book because they make boats quite cheaply. … quality-wise, technical quality is very poor and the aesthetic criteria are very poor as well. And it's not that the yard wants to deliver a shit-looking boat, they just don't want to ever reject it.Coatings consultant
I've been in the business since, 2003. I was a kid at the time. I grew into the business, same exact business, until I eventually bought it in 2014.Chandlery & retail · North America
We're an independent Marine supply store. So take a West Marine as the big box store and where kind of the I always hate to use the mum and pop term but where the mum and pop version of them.Chandlery & retail · North America
We as a very small mum and pop our store is 3200 square feet. … We typically aim to out Market a lot of our competitions. So a lot of we've become perceived as a bigger company than we are when people come to the store. They're like, oh wow. I thought you guys were going to be bigger.Chandlery & retail · North America
My typical customer, I deal with a guy that has either a very, very small entry-level boat small centre, consoles and runabouts. … Larger scale boat would probably be say 30 to 40s, Sea Ray Cruiser type boat. That's probably our most common.Chandlery & retail · North America
We do have in our neighbourhood. It's a very blue collar. … do-it-yourself kind of neighbourhood. So we do see a fair amount of older boats in the market that it's like I said very do-it-yourself so it's … these guys are keeping these older boats going for quite some time.Chandlery & retail · North America
Yeah primarily both primarily boat owners. … A distributor that's in the same town as us. So we don't get really very much wholesale business. … We'll get a touch of it on the weekends or after hours when the Distributors are closed or kind of the real shade tree mechanic that doesn't do enough business to Warrant having a Distributor's account.Chandlery & retail · North America
We're a wholesale only marine parts and accessory distributor located in New Jersey and New York. We have another entity, Seacoast Distributors, LLC. They primarily operate out of Long Island, New York. We cover 7 states, Connecticut, Rhode Island, state line down in the northern neck of Virginia. We're very heavily involved in the coatings world. We supply a variety of different manufacturers, including some of the Akzo portfolio.Coatings distributor · North America
We have two, we actually have one previous Akzo employee on our staff, who was heavily involved in their marketing and sales campaigns, call it 10 years ago or so. And then we actually have another previous employee from one of their large competitors. So we're very heavily stacked, knowledgeable on the coatings world.Coatings distributor · North America
We're supplying boat yards, shipyards, mobile marine mechanics, ship stores, anybody who is either retailing and or applying the paint. So project to project specifically, our guys run up against that periodically time to time. But I can't say that we know every single boat or application that that when it's purchased from us, what it's going to.Coatings distributor · North America
I would say our primary market, we're not in the heart of anymore, and I wish we were, but as the boat building world has developed and whatnot, New Jersey, I'll give you some background here, New Jersey used to be a hotbed for boat builders, much like the Carolinas are now. That is not the case anymore. There's some, but that's just not, it's not the case anymore. There's Viking and there's one or two other big sport fish guys, but beyond that, it's not what it used to be. So I would say primarily our sales are going to customers that do retail as well as seasonal maintenance.Coatings distributor · North America
We have 18 sales guys on staff here, including, there's two sales managers regionally, and then we have a director of sales and business development. Our primary leg up over our competitors is that we saturate the market with sales team members. And there are eyes and ears out there. We also, unlike some of the other distributors, the drivers that are delivering our product are our drivers. They're [company] ([company] and Supply Co) employees, which we've always taken the aspect of, again, that's, they're our eyes and ears out there. They represent our brand by outsourcing that. We don't have control over how they act, their image, stuff like that.Coatings distributor · North America
[company] has been here 30, 35 years. I've been here for 12, 13 of those, the last. I manage our marine store. We have a fully stocked, we put West Marine to shame, types marine store.Chandlery & retail · North America
We represent multiple outboard lines, Yamaha, Honda, Mercury, Mercruiser, Volvo Penta, D-Tronics. Suzuki is our bread and butter brand, one of the largest dealers in the country for parts and for repower sales. It basically is a three-lobed company. So we have our marine service department next door, which does repair, troubleshooting, your typical R&R stuff. We have our marine store here, which is, what would you put this building at? Maybe 15,000 square feet marine store. And then downtown, we have an on-water marina.Chandlery & retail · North America
You know, we service anywhere in the spring and fall between, depending on the volume, 400 to 600 boats, staff of about 30, 35 swells to like 45 in season.Chandlery & retail · North America
[company] Reya is mainly addressing the leisure market. So we are just, it's about until maybe 30 meters long with all the yachting.Coatings distributor · Europe
mainly when we are talking on the yachting market, it's mainly the leisure market. So it's the, yeah, the until I think 30 meters longer boat.Coatings distributor · Europe
mainly the paint with a mirror effect, you see. And on that kind of market, there is no really, no question of size, because we are selling the product to applicators.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are selling at [company], we are selling mainly to ship shops, but also to shipyards, refits mainly, and also to little customers like mechanician, which are buying paint only through an opportunistic approach because they have one boat and then they are doing some maintenance on the engine and because the ship is out of water, they are telling to their customers that they are able to paint it, but it's mainly shops and mainly shipyard.Coatings distributor · Europe
For HDS and Sojek. They are also distributing the products yachting to applicators. They are more acting as a consultant, like, or them doing some recommendations. Not only, not, yeah, they are not only selling the can, they are also selling the advisors and maybe some specification and so on. … more acting as a, yeah, proposing some solution and adequate system.Coatings distributor · Europe
Alex Sanders, who works for them, is a friend of my dad's old captain. They've known each other for years. He's been an amazing advisor on paint for our family generally for a while.Private yacht owner
My dad just repainted his 78 foot Nordlund at the Newport Harbour shipyard with a gray, the H, is it HDT, I think is the name of the paint, which was a new paint for him. And the boat looks amazing.Private yacht owner
My boat in at Gran Peninsula shipyard down in Ensenada. We had the prior - we had Alexseal paint. And I believe, my opinion, is that the original builder got behind schedule and rushed the application of the fairing, and in doing destructive testing, we found lots of air bubbles in the fairing.Private yacht owner
I've never owned my own boat, and this is the first steel boat that our family's owned. So it's a wholesale different programme and it's 90 feet and it's commercial grade and that kind of stuff. So everything like that changes it.Private yacht owner
Well, first of all, I make a small introduction. At the end, we are a family company. We started long ago. I'm the third generation of the company. And to the, we started 50 years ago, but towards the important topic, which is the paint, we opened the paint division on the early 2000s, because before we only have chandleries for boats, supply of elements and all of this. And then we started with the paint division, where now we've grown that area in particular towards the three division.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
the paint group at the moment is 4 companies. One of them is the chandlery, and on the other side we have the scaffolding, the sandblasting works, and also the top coat division, which is our interesting point today.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Now, our market share or position is of both between 35 to 40 meter up to 70. Okay, this is for proper full paint jobs. Okay, smaller works or smaller sections, anti-fouling, tanks, we do this in 100 plus meter boats in facilities like [company] or so, but our full paint capacity is moving in between that. We do, we of course do both sailing yacht, motor yacht, also catamarans.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And in terms of paint application, we apply, I think I could say everything that is in the European market.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We are a little shipyard, kind of little, we have around about 400 boats around here on our space and do yacht coatings, I think 10 to 20 boats a year. Um... Also do a lot of underwater coatings, anti-fouling, and we work mainly with... By over over water coatings, mainly with AkzoNobel.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It's not that we produce these boats, it's refit and restoration, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
No newbuild on our section over here. We do not have anything that's factory or we do not have any yacht brokers or anything like that on this section.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Get three years worth of growth, take everything off. You've got other customers that will put 10 years worth of paint on the bottom of their boat and still apply more different paint and change paints in the process. So you're dealing with a whole different spectrum.Refit yard / applicator · North America
My dad actually owns a small boat yard in Sausalito. So I've been around Awlgrip basically my entire life since I was a little kid. Primarily the boat yard sprays Awlgrip. I worked there in summers in high school and college. And then when I started [company], still used a bit of Awlgrip in-house. And then we're having the shells painted at a body shop with this new product line that we launched two years ago. We brought all paint in-house as well.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
We spray automotive, we spray a mix now, so we spray a lot of 545 primer because some of the AkzoNobel primers, epoxy primers cure too quickly in our hard sand. So we spray 545 primer, we spray some single stage Awlgrip on roofs and interior cabinetry.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
We use AkzoNobel. We spray these trucks in true automotive, so Awlgrip is single, so we use single stage and Awlgrip primer, and then when we prime the exterior of these shells with 545, we sand that Awlgrip and then move into the AkzoNobel coating, which is sealer-based clear, because we're matching colours to a truck.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I'm here at [company] and have been off and on with [company] actually in a total of about 10 years in the marine industry. [company] being, as you may or may not know, a provider primarily for the cruiser environment of the yachting world. meaning vessels anywhere from 35 to 55, 60 feet for cruisers. And we also supply mega yachts, mega yachts more in what we call the mini megas. These are the ones that are up to 100 footers, sometimes a little overChandlery & retail · Caribbean
supply of miscellaneous items. This could be deck cleaners, anti-fouling paints, waxes, et cetera. My personal boating experience is that me and my wife have been living on the vessel for 20 years. We have sailed a little bit. We've gone from North America, Canada to Caribbean. from the Caribbean, sailed to New Zealand and back, and been back in the Caribbean for quite a bit of time. And along the way, of course, learned a lot about not only our experiences in boating life and pains, which is what we're going to be talking about today, but also heard a lot of feedback from other people that have travelled all over the world and what their experience has been, which has been quite enriching for me personally in helping people in the store making the right choices for their proper solutions.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
It is primarily maintenance and upgrades, so nothing related to manufacturing or construction.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I've owned the store for 11 years. Previously to owning it, I had worked here for two years and then had a nine-year gap. And then I came back and bought it in February of 2015.Chandlery & retail · North America
Our market, so we're a little bit unique. in especially for the West Coast of the US. It's a public entity that owns the marina and the shipyard. A lot of times the model is like a private venture and they own the footprint and they do all the work. Here we have a mixture of shops that lease from the government entity, which is the Port of Port Townsend. And we also have tailgaters and people that actually can haul their own vessel.Chandlery & retail · North America
We're kind of in a rural market. We're about 60 miles outside of Seattle plus a ferry ride. So we're kind of out here on the Olympic Peninsula, a little bit isolated. Originally, the market was a local recreational sailors and motor yachters and quite a bit of commercial fishing fleet, which in our case is boats under 58 feet that fish both Oregon Washington State and Alaska.Chandlery & retail · North America
Our recreational boats, I would say, centre around the 30 foot give or take, which 10 metre sailboats. The fishing boats, like I said, are under 58 usually. We do have some work boats that go up to about 90. Occasionally, we'll see a yacht in the 80 foot to 90 foot, but it's kind of a rarity.Chandlery & retail · North America
We're kind of the wooden boat mecca of the West Coast for sure, and known internationally as a place to haul and restore boats made of wood.Chandlery & retail · North America
We had a marquee project, Tally Ho (sailboat restoration project by Leo Goolden / Sampson Boat Co.), which was an English gentleman that restored a boat, had a really successful YouTube channel. So he was ongoing for about three years. He left a year ago and he's in Panama right now. But he kind of put us on the map again, branding wise.Chandlery & retail · North America
I do both wholesale and retail, but we do not apply any of it. We're essentially a storefront, but because of the businesses that have up to 100 employees, let's say. They use, I'm centrally located, so I make it really easy for them to just use me as a vendor. So often on the way to a job, they'll just buy the items they need for the project.Chandlery & retail · North America
Well, I'm a boat, I started in a boat yard as a commercial, not a boat builder, but time by time in a small boat yard, you have to work also with the boat and in the office. And I'm coming from the office site and I made that. I'm working with boats my whole life of working. I started in the boat yard with 20 and I still work with boats today. But I changed my profession. When all my experience working in boat yards is helping me now. I know how a boat builder is working and I can sell him the products from AkzoNobel. And this is a special. I worked in the boat yard with Hempel, with small local products, with international already.Coatings distributor · Europe
The company is called VC Offshore for trip and you see VC is called from the VC products like VC Offshore, VC 17. That is our old company name and … Last year, we made a switch to [company], this is a German word for old paint, and the dot CH, and the second part is VC Offshore for trip SA still all the time. But we made it longer to know the VC products in AkzoNobel getting less and less. And the Awlgrip and the international products are more. And we have the old name which we see in front. For that we changed to [company].Coatings distributor · Europe
We are the distributor for international paint. This is the base. This started with that. And for me, of course, international paint is the first. And some years later, they bought Awlgrip and we had the possibility to sell also Awlgrip. So we have both on stock. We have both in the range for selling to the boat yards. And that's a threat. Our clients are the boat yards. We are not a company selling to private, but we sell to the Nautic shops and they'll sell it to private. So we have both the retail market and the professional market.Coatings distributor · Europe
50% is explaining the products and informing which boat you should paint, which with which paint and the other time is organizing.Coatings distributor · Europe
Our market is, it's I think 90% influenced by the United States. So majority of our users come from the US. So for example, if in the US the popular brand is Seahawk, then that's what they're looking for down here.Coatings distributor · Central America
We do business to the trade and we do business direct to the client. So we have 4 stores pretty much all the way from the north to the South Coast of the Pacific Coast of Costa Rica. So we are very well placed in the major marinas of the country.Coatings distributor · Central America
All boats that go across the Panama Canal have to start here in Golfito. So we have that point of entrance where the boats get into the country.Coatings distributor · Central America
How long have you been involved in yacht coatings, and how long have you worked with AkzoNobel?30
I've been doing project management until 2020. With a 12 years (repeated "12, 12" concatenated) experience on project management and then on 2020 I changed into quality control quality management system. So I'm dealing with paint since then specifically, but of course being a project manager on super yachts, you have to deal with paint also before.Superyacht builder · Europe
Since 2007. No, I start in Riva Gruppo Ferretti. With Riva yachts, and I work at the quality and check the paint of that boat, and then I continue to work in quality with Gruppo Ferretti yards. Until 2011. And then in 2012, I start with [company]. I change start with [company], beginning in control of quality of fibreglass and paintings always. And then I became the head of quality from... Three years, three years ago. Four, sorry, four years. So, I will always work with the painting.Superyacht builder · Europe
I know AkzoNobel in 2012 when I start to work in [company], because in other ships that we use other paint manufacturers. And I started to work with them with the fibreglass boat at the beginning. So we talking about mainly for external painting, so primer, filler and top coat. And few days, few years later, I start to work with the custom yacht. So, steel and improving the collaboration with the AkzoNobel for the anti-corrosion and what is about the steel and the protection, not only for exterior, sorry. External painting, but for interior for tank. What is connected with the corrosion.Superyacht builder · Europe
I've been working here for two years, but it's a family business. So my parents own the company. So yeah, I've been here since I was born. So I, yeah, I've seen a lot of things already. But I'm actively working here for two years now.Coatings distributor · Europe
I have 40 years. … 40.Coatings distributor · Europe
We had a rep with Interlux who was on his way out. He was a great rep. He was an older guy. He did good for us for a long time, but he was on his way out and we had a new rep step in who was... He showed a little bit more interest in his job than the previous guy was. He was incredibly knowledgeable. … it had to have been prior to COVID because Frank left because of COVID. He had some complications with that. … Let's say it was like 2018 or something.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Our rep from Pettit told us, and it ended up being that it was incorrect, but he came by and told us that Pettit was no longer going to in-house warranty the house brand products and that we would have to take any warranty claims up with either West Marine or Diversified Marine products directly. … And so as Pettit said, hey, we're not going to warranty this product anymore … Frank stepped in and said, hey, I'm the new rep. Let me show you what we've got. … Frank was able to get some of the product in here. … we just started using it. And then the backing was great. The support we got was good.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I guess that's kind of how we switched from Pettit to Interlux. We always used Awlgrip. We did use Awlgrip and Proline for a long time. We looked at Proline as like a cheaper alternative to the Awlgrip. And we would use it on all like the charter sport fishing boats that bounce off docks and get beat up. … the pricing got a little bit more competitive from Awlgrip. And the price is about twice as much as Proline. But Awlgrip, a gallon kit of Awlgrip nets you 2 gallons of sprayable product and a gallon kit of Proline nets you one. So even though the cost is double, you get double the product. And so it works out to be pretty much the same these days. And Awlgrip is a substantially better product.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Twenty years.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I have observed the whole process of where this brand was worldwide, where this brand was in Turkey, and what it has become throughout this period. And I have gone through the ups and downs and ownership changes, you name it. But I think, if you look at the whole of the history of Awlgrip, we are probably one of the very few constants that never changed. Awlgrip changed hands, Awlgrip changed countries, Awlgrip changed this and that, but we are one of the very few distributors that actually just... we were a constant in it.Coatings distributor · Europe
My relationship personally or the company's relationship … The company, it precedes me. The company's been in business since 78. … As far as I know, they've always handled Interlux. … I think they handled International Paint before International Paint was sold.Chandlery & retail · North America
Yeah. Uh, by far. Yeah.Chandlery & retail · North America
Our company has been in business since 1910. And my great-grandfather was actually originally the bookkeeper back in 1910. They're not paying you very much, obviously. So they paid them in stock. And about 8 to 10 years after the company was started, the original founders wanted out. And my great-grandfather had acquired enough shares at that point to have the discussion of buying them out, which he ultimately did. And it's been in our family since. We're 4th generation. My brother and I are involved. My dad's the current president.Coatings distributor · North America
We prior to, I believe it was 17-18 season, maybe 18-19. We had been an Interlux and Awlgrip customer of theirs for 35 years. We had a bit of a difference in business philosophy at the time. And so we had at that point added the Sea Hawk brand, which I think was part ultimately of the difference in business philosophy. And they ultimately made the decision to remove us as being an Akzo distributor at the time.Coatings distributor · North America
As we all know, they acquired New Nautical Coatings (company behind Sea Hawk) and Sea Hawk. So then we were back into the Akzo family. And at that point, the decision had not been made to add the additional lines, which we had historically been selling, the Interlux and Awlgrip brands. We also, prior to their acquisition, had the Flexdel line, Aquagard (Flexdel brand) and whatnot, and then they acquired them.Coatings distributor · North America
There's been subsequent conversation of what the future looks like, obviously, in regards to the additional brands that we don't carry. We feel as though it would be a great addition to our portfolio and we would do nothing but help them continue to grow. But to this point, they haven't seen the bright side there yet, but I think they will.Coatings distributor · North America
I would say there's always open dialogue as far as we're concerned. What happened years ago happened years ago and it's a new regime and let's move on.Coatings distributor · North America
We roughly at vendor cost, so what I'm buying it from Land 'N Sea, Donovan, you know, whatever guy's got the paint I need. I'm probably between 40 and $50,000 of Interlux product annually.Chandlery & retail · North America
For [company] Reya it has been since maybe more than 20 years, and for since the creation of the both company, because they are dedicated to a paint and maintenance product sales. So I think that it's more than 30 years. So we have more than 30 years of return of experience on coatings products.Coatings distributor · Europe
Since the beginning of the year, it's now one company. We are merged, we have merged the two company because previous the former company was HDS, HDS and Sojek. Sojek is addressing the South of France and HDS is more Atlantic and North of France, and we have decided to merge the two companies to have one bigger leader.Coatings distributor · Europe
Not from other paint companies, because I've only dealt with him both at Alexseal and at Awlgrip.Private yacht owner
Forever. Yeah, yeah, the and even more nowadays is more brands on things like this, but back in the past, AkzoNobel, Awlgrip, and so used to have pretty much everything, and and now it's still the... the, of course, the most is the pain that you find in most of the boats, Awlgrip, Awlgrip or international or product from AkzoNobel. So, we've worked maybe say twenty-five years with Awlgrip products.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I know Jean-Pierre, who's connecting us since quite a while, quite a time, some time. I think we worked together since... six or seven years now.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I started working with Interlux from International, and then later we decided to... do more of yacht coatings and from that point we worked a lot of... with Awlgrip.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I've known and used Awlgrip since I was probably about 13 years old, so I'm 35 now, so 20 years at least.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
For that entire period of time, so... Yeah, and that's both for the, not only the end to fouling, but also for the top coats, such as the Awlgrip, et cetera.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
13 years in total and making the purchasing decisions for the last 11 years.Chandlery & retail · North America
All the way along, going back since the start. In the US, it's not branded international, it's branded Interlux.Chandlery & retail · North America
My experience from there is international is all the time a good product, or there was a good product all the time I work with it. And when I got the opportunity 30 years ago to change from a boat yard, I work in three different boat yards, a change to the selling material to boat yards. This is the company I am today.Coatings distributor · Europe
I've been in the business for altogether about 10 years, but I guess more involved with the purchasing and the coatings and. Knowing a little bit more about it, probably 10 years, I mean seven years.Coatings distributor · Central America
How many coatings projects are you involved in per year, and what is the split between newbuild and refit/aftersales?25
We have a lot of dealers that would buy for resale. Those dealers tend to purchase in the fall. We do an industry trade show and they'll buy for the season or they'll buy for part of the season and then they'll stock up as needed. And we can have some that'll buy, you know, 300, 400, 500 cans of paint at a time to 8 or six or two type of thing. And that's all they need to get them started. And then we'll have many boat, we support many OEM boat builders in Canada. There's no production boat building going on in Canada. It's mostly high gauge aluminum boat building, and those customers will primarily buy by project. So they'll buy their primer, they'll buy their Awlfair, they'll buy their converter, they'll buy their 454, and then they'll prep the project, and then they'll buy the topside paint for what color they decide they're going to do for their, you know, their whole coat and their topside paint.Coatings distributor · North America
We have currently 24-25 boats under construction. Of which? In, let's say 6-8 ... 7-8 under painting process. The others are not there yet.Superyacht builder · Europe
Too many, too many, because our shipyard delivery 25 boat per year. … So if you take some number in 15 years, almost then 300 maybe.Superyacht builder · Europe
Mainly newbuilds. Sometime I can, they ask to me suggestion for warranty or refit with our brand, Lusben. But the mainly is a new building.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think that's a bit hard to say, like the actual forecasting. boats, I think that those are 15 to 20 per year that we actually need to know about because otherwise there isn't enough of the products. But yeah, I think if we look at for how many boats were selling products, I think it's hundreds of boats, but so we don't always know if it's going to which boats it's going, because sometimes there are more companies working on one boat. Or the companies like having it stock for themselves and they use it on different boats, so that's hard to say, I think.Coatings distributor · Europe
We are a repair and maintenance facility in total. We don't do any newbuilds. We don't do construction. Yeah, so repair and maintenance completely.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Every boat we do gets bottom paint. I mean, it's very, very rare that we haul a boat and don't paint it. … I would say as far as bottom paint goes, we do hundreds of boats a year. I wouldn't, it's probably not in the thousands, but we would do hundreds of boats. As far as topside painting go, we're doing dozens of boats a year, probably.Refit yard / applicator · North America
MB 92 itself or around 40 (or 48) coatings projects per year.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Bear in mind, when you're talking about the group, and you're talking about [company] La Ciotat, [company] Barcelona, which are the [company] Barcelona headquarters, then you have Golfe-Juan, which is another section, and the Barcelona and [company] Red Sea.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
In here, I mean [company] group is fully dedicated to refit or modification, which means I can modify the yard as much as you want to. You want another deck, you want an extension or whatsoever, that is possible. And it done on regular occasions. But we're not building any ships.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
we print an internal document every month which is called a project status report, where our Awlgrip team they produce this … It lists all the boats we're involved in, whether we are involved as a full system or a partial system, or whether it's a newbuild or a refit. OK, and then we also list the competition as well, so we know where we are.Coatings distributor · Europe
Right now, we're following up 44 builds … And 34 of those are either a full Awlgrip system or a partial Awlgrip system. Now, 10 of those are not with us. They're using competitors' products. So if 34 out of 44 actually is quite a good percentage of market we were able to … get.Coatings distributor · Europe
27 of the 34 are newbuilds, and … 5 boats are refits. … the 34 are actually, all of them are newbuilds.Coatings distributor · Europe
The built of a yacht can happen in two ways, okay? It can be a spec boat, which means the yard is actually building it on its own without a customer. And then we're typically talking about a much longer build time, and then it's going to accelerate at the time of sale. … So when you look at a build like that, maybe it's going to stretch to five years, who knows? … But then there's another project that is maybe with a buyer in the beginning, a project in hand, it's spec'd and everything, then all of a sudden, that boat is going to happen very quickly. So that's why it's not so easy to put actually an exact number per year.Coatings distributor · Europe
That's not to say that we don't sell some stuff into some of the boat builders in the area, but again, it's just, it's not the primary market for New Jersey, Maryland anymore. They're there and we do our best to hunt them down, but it's, like I said, it's not the Carolinas where you can make a living probably within a five block radius.Coatings distributor · North America
Full or substantial projects, we could be moving between 10 and 14, 15. It of course depends on the locations and the size, because we don't only work in Palma, we work also in mainland and south of France or Italy, if they need us. And if you, is it like everything, if you, if I have my resources spread in six locations, I may be doing more like 10 than instead of 14. But if I have more in a certain location, you have more capacity. But let's say moving between 10 and 14 full paints projects and then it's a lot of small things, used painting a transom, painting a boom, painting certain section, that I cannot say how many, A lot.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We are doing the beginning, we did newbuild in Navantia back when they were making yachts in Navantia and Cadiz. So we did some new buildings on there. Then the company was more focused towards a refit. That's where we grew and we got more market share and we increased our branding and name and everything. So we are dedicated most of our resources to the refit. And nowadays we've been two years in a newbuild project, yes.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We have around about 400 boats around here on our space and do yacht coatings, I think 10 to 20 boats a year.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
This year we'll do 12. That's about... It's about probably 40 to 50 gallons of 545. It's probably 30 gallons of Awlgrip single stage. And when we spray seal base clear, that's about 7 gallons of AkzoNobel product. So times 12, so whatever that is, 75, 80 gallons of automotive. And we're scaling, we just moved into a new facility, we're building a new spray booth. Should double those numbers next year.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
for the bottom paints, it's usually a very short interaction with the clients, because it just requires what's needed, et cetera, et cetera, as explained. When it comes to top coats, of course, it's generally a different story, because now we need to go and figure out not only what is the paint that they're going to use for the top coat, but is it a multicolor or a singular color? Does it need a clear coat over top when it's especially the darker type of paints? What is underneath it that needs to be either primed properly or repaired? So then I usually get involved going to the yards, taking a look at it. together with the painting outfit, identify the total amount of paints needed, the primers needed, and then, you know, make their quotes for them and make recommendations as well.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Very little newbuild. There is occasionally a smaller vessel, a lot of small hobby-style dinghies and whatnot get built here because there's a non-profit and a school here that do quite a bit of smaller boats. Most of them are refits, usually pretty elaborate refits.Chandlery & retail · North America
We have one new aluminium boat builder. They are kind of insulated and buy their own materials through different channels, but we do supply them on occasion. But that's really the only new building going on, short of a very specific, usually wooden product. There's no new fibreglass builds per se.Chandlery & retail · North America
The boatyards, they import a lot of boats. American, British, German, doesn't matter. And the good thing for us, they don't come, they are not painted in the bottom, on the underwater, they are not painted. So we have not a contract and we know a lot of boat yards are working with our products and they do also use the primers if the boats are new and start with the complete system of international order from Awlgrip.Coatings distributor · Europe
Switzerland is not a producer market and it's not a retail market. It's really a professional boat yard market who is making this whole service for the boat.Coatings distributor · Europe
Normally, we have starting with the fisher boats at four or five metres till 12 meters. This is a normal range. Everything more than 10 metres is also for the harbors. It's getting too big. The places are not so big that you need or you have place for a big harbor. But it is only, it's not the sea, it's only a lake.Coatings distributor · Europe
How are coating decisions made - who is involved, when are brands decided, and what is your role in specifying or recommending?79
A little bit of both. … a customer may call through customer service or contact sales and they would try to help the customer pick the right pick the best product for their application if they may not know already.Coatings distributor · North America
My involvement would be more making sure that we have like the right product mix on the shelf. We're buying it at the right price. We're able to be competitive in the marketplace against, you know, we either offer a better superior product or we're competitive in the market with our other distributors that sell the same products. That would be more kind of my influence in the brand.Coatings distributor · North America
[name] and I would be the final decision makers on what we stock, what the company stocks.Coatings distributor · North America
We believe and strongly feel that we are unlike traditional distributors, especially in North America. We tend to pick the top product where we get the best support, where we feel it's the best. … a really good product in the category and we train our staff, we learn about it, we become, we consider ourselves a technical distributor, so we may play a couple different roles with the customer's journey. The customer may already know that they what they're looking for and just be like, yeah, I need some, I need some Awlcraft, I need some fairing, I need some whatever, and we'll be like, okay, well, this is... You know, this is what we got and why, this is what's in stock, you can have. The customer may call and say, I don't know what I'm doing, but I need some … and then we'll be like, okay, well, then here you go. This will, you know, we'll just put a package together for them.Coatings distributor · North America
Sometimes, but that may not trickle down to our level. Most often that would go to who's ever doing the work. So the trade person, we may not have personal interaction with the owner in every case.Coatings distributor · North America
I think that most of it is coming from the history of the shipyard. So the shipyard is now very big, but it was once very small when it was very small. Relationship have been built, have been constructed and those relations still have a value. OK, so they became a commercial relationship and they became habits. And the applicators, companies that are using the products, they also became familiar, very familiar with the products.Superyacht builder · Europe
Most of it is commercial convenience … economical criteria, plus the habit of applying a certain product. We know very well how the result will be. We know very well the difficulties we know very well the pros and cons of the product that we are used to use since 15 years (repeated "15, 15" concatenated). And we know very well the technical support. It works.Superyacht builder · Europe
Until last year, until one year and a half ago, if a client was asking can we use AkzoNobel product for instance, we were saying no, we use what we are used to. Because we want to deliver you a product, a good product and we know by our own experience that the product will be good.Superyacht builder · Europe
I wanted to expand our knowledge. I wanted to know how our product is looking like with AkzoNobel, not because somebody else is telling, but because I have tried so. I have accepted to do a yacht with AkzoNobel.Superyacht builder · Europe
I wanted to make a boat with the products of AkzoNobel and I found the right combination of client asking for it, project manager in agreement with me, company and applicator that … I knew very well the product of AkzoNobel, so I'm looking for the proper moment and the proper situation to do kind of that.Superyacht builder · Europe
Now the boat is going in the water and we will probably discover that everything went well. So if a client asks, can we make AkzoNobel? We will say, OK, there is, it's an option. This is my approach.Superyacht builder · Europe
The cost. Sure. And the experience of the applicator because I have … asked the applicator how many boats did you do with these products? If they're telling me only one, I was not going to pick that possibility. The applicator was very experienced with that product, so I said OK, the risks are very low and the opportunity is good. And now we are arriving at the end and so with a piece of knowledge in my backpack new.Superyacht builder · Europe
That decision is mainly by the shipyard, so the people involved in there are the purchasing department. Quality department and the technical office.Superyacht builder · Europe
After this, we asked to the paint manufacturer to come at our table. we can show a new model, we can show a boat, maybe sometime we have a new line, and we say we are going to do this kind of boat, 3, 4 boats for year. This is the square metre volume we are going to do. What is your offer for this product? Sometimes we ask to them the technical specification if needed, but there is a good knowledge of product, good communication with the paint manufacturer. So we know which products are in the market and sometimes the specification, but we ask always to confirm if the specification is good or not for that kind of boat. And then, at the end, we call the contractor.Superyacht builder · Europe
We have only contractor. We don't have main works directly. So we give all the contractor, they buy the products and apply on the boat to 1 contractor.Superyacht builder · Europe
We asked the contractor the price with the agreement with the paint. So we know that each litre of the product cost X. … So, we have our control of this.Superyacht builder · Europe
Well, it happened that the shipyard proposed its standard specification and its standard painting. It could happen that the owner wants something different. If happen, we try to understand what he wants. And then we. We do such. We have a check, internal check to understand if could be a problem, if could be a risk, if could be a different cost.Superyacht builder · Europe
because we have agreement with AkzoNobel. He comes and say that I want PPG, I want Alexseal, and maybe for one boat we spend more than what we... … to spend with the other. And sometimes we ask to our clients, it could be, but it needs something more in timing or in pricing.Superyacht builder · Europe
Our role is to make the applicators enthusiastic about the Awlgrip products. But sometimes the yards, they decide this is the brand we're working with and they base it on the price, but also on results and support in the past. But yeah, we always try to make our like the applicators enthusiastic about the products. And that's how we try to make sure that the boats go in Awlgrip.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think it works both ways. Awlgrip is a familiar brand, so sometimes they prefer Awlgrip and then they will come to us because they know we're a dealer. But we of course need to push the brand as well.Coatings distributor · Europe
Generally speaking, it's... Between myself and my yard manager, I mean, I've kind of set us up where we are, which is currently, we use the full spectrum of AkzoNobel products. We used to use some of the Pettit products that are available to us here.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Yeah, I mean, I have pretty full control, I guess, of what we purchase and how we apply it. As far as the, you know, the decision to purchase one product or the other.Refit yard / applicator · North America
It is actually a pretty tricky question. And it depends on which side you are, as I said. So in our industry, we have actually, let's call it, round about four decision makers, which try to bring … this system on the boat. So one, you have the shipyard. Then you have, of course, the owner side, which can be the captain, which can be the paint consultant, which I did for 14 years, for example, for the hundreds richest people in the planet. Then you have the paint application company, like the big ones, like top five. Surely you know, there's Pinmar, there's … there's Rocky, and then you have the big class in Germany, like, uh, General Coatings and and and... And of course, then you have the product provider like AkzoNobel. In our industry, when it comes over 80 meters, there are few to mention. There is, of course, AkzoNobel with a brand Awlgrip or Awlcraft. It doesn't matter what is wished. Then you have Alexseal. … which is a company from Germany, Mankiewicz, they're called. And then you have Jotun.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
In the refit business, you have an existing system, which means most of the vessels we are treating, the big ones, are coming from the north of Europe, which is the Netherlands and Germany. You will find only this kind of three systems on them, which I mentioned before. Then. It has to be figured out, is the system working? Working means is the client happy with what he got on there?Refit yard / applicator · Europe
before the boat gets sold and everything, there's what we call the spec. Okay, the spec actually defines almost all the equipment on the boat, what the engine is going to be, this and that and that. And it will typically also include what the … coating system will be. So the spec element is very, very important.Coatings distributor · Europe
probably around 50% of the projects that we do, the spec is already there. Now, if we're lucky, obviously it's spec with Awlgrip, okay, or a combination of Awlgrip and maybe international. If we're not that lucky, that spec is going to come with something else on it.Coatings distributor · Europe
okay, we say, okay, we accept it and go home? No. Then we start thinking, okay, how can we influence that spec at this later stage? Okay, then our relationship with the yard comes in. … if this is a yard that we have been supplying for many, many years and we have a good relationship and then they have been very happy with our product, our service, and everything. Then, of course, we then start to collaborate with the yard and say to the customer, hey, you know what, you are spec that, but we have a very good experience with this system. not a lot of more expensive than what you're proposing, et cetera. And because of the established systems in place in the yard, we think it's going to produce a better result for your boat.Coatings distributor · Europe
Once the spec is done for something else, it's really not easy, okay? But we take our chances. We have actually succeeded in that, in the past, quite a few times actually.Coatings distributor · Europe
The majority. … the coating of a yacht, big yacht, is crucially important for a shipyard. I have seen in the past 37 years when things go wrong, it's a nightmare for the yard. … it's not like, let's assume like you buy I don't know, a radar for the boat and it goes wrong, just go and buy another one and install it. Okay? If your coating system messes up, right, you are talking about months and months and months of work going down the drains together with the products, together with the project being postponed, I don't know how many months, and probably the penalties are kicking in in your contract with the customer and everything. So it's a huge, huge, huge mess for the yard. So the consistency of the product, the consistency of the applicator, the service, the supply chain, all of that is crucial in a project like that.Coatings distributor · Europe
the relationship with the boatyard is very, very important. How happy they were with your product through that, think about a boatyard that is, we have actually boatyards that are like using a very, very high percentage of our products. So, the contractors, their workers, everybody, is used to that product there, and they can be pretty sure what kind of a result they're going to attain in the end. So this is actually a comforting factor for the yard, rather than going something for that they haven't been using it for, I don't know, six years, seven years or whatever.Coatings distributor · Europe
in the end, of course, the yard wants to have the best result possible because that boat is also their reference for future business. So, that's the part that we try to influence at that stage and hopefully try to skew it our way.Coatings distributor · Europe
In newbuild, obviously certain yards have certain preferred painters. And certain painters then have preferred brands. And the thing you don't want to do is really tell the yard and the painter to use the paint that they don't normally use. Because if it goes wrong, they just go, you told me to use that paint, now it looks ****, that was your choice. … The yard is normally leading 99 percent, 99.9. The yard is leading with the specification.Coatings consultant
One thing that we will fight quite hard about is … there's this basecoat-clear situation coming on in topcoats that Awlgrip has been on the market for 50 years. They've now got this new product HDT, which you can put on a colour base coat and you put a clear coat on top. This has massive technical benefits for my owner, like ginormous. … Effectively, G-Line will start looking a bit **** after two years, and with HDT, it will start looking **** after five years. … So we will, if there's an Awlgrip specification, we will almost always try and get it on to basecoat clear.Coatings consultant
In refit, obviously the boat's been painted before and the customer also then has an opinion. I was happy with my paint. I was not happy with my paint. But also we do also then in situations have again certain refit yards, certain refit painters have a preference for a product.Coatings consultant
On topcoats, the difference between Awlgrip and the difference between Alexseal technically is pretty much zero. … and the cost difference is pretty much 0. So, there's no technical sale here for one or the other, apart from the painter, because the painter might go, I get a better finish from product A than product B. And again, in that situation is, I'm not going to tell him to use his not favourite product. If he wants to use product A because he says I get it better, there's no reason for me to say use Akzo because technically there is no technical benefit for me.Coatings consultant
it's pretty often that they're looking to us for guidance. … when the customer comes in educated, he does already seem to be leaning towards … Interlux products.Chandlery & retail · North America
Maybe one in 20 guys, might walk in asking for a specific Pettit product and I more unlikely don't support it and you know, we give them the we can order it or we have … something compatible and Interlux. And sometimes we just lose the sale because we're not supporting that line. … To provide the Interlux product. … For the most part, I think the guy's coming in looking for our advice and we're advising him towards the Interlux product.Chandlery & retail · North America
Most of our orders come through our B2B site and our sales team, and this is how we treat every brand that we carry. Our sales team's job is to describe the pros and cons and the benefits and maybe not the benefits of every brand that we carry. And then ultimately, it's the customer's job to pick what they want. We don't specifically say this is what you need unless there's a very specific application. Then we might drive that discussion a different way, but in regards to the coatings category specifically, we give the pros and cons and benefits of everything that we have, and then ultimately, again, it's a customer decision.Coatings distributor · North America
The coatings sales rep, the direct employee of either Akzo or a competitive brand, have a lot to do with this process as well. And again, I think sometimes that maybe goes misunderstood, that this category as opposed to several others that we carry, and we're in a variety of categories, lighting, electrical, coatings, everything. The sales team member of the manufacturer, it's their job to also drive relationships with certain boat yards, be knowledgeable in the products and give the customer their side of the story as well.Coatings distributor · North America
There's certain manufacturer sales reps that work better with our team and turn them on to opportunities, and in that case, yeah, if we get a leg up on our competitor through a heads up of another opportunity, obviously the manufacturer has to stay neutral, I get that, but if they spread the, that out to call it 2 distributors and we're the first ones to pounce on it. We're going to honor who gave us that opportunity. And that is definitely a thing in the coatings world, for sure.Coatings distributor · North America
Paint finds the customer here one of, I'd say, three ways. Through our service department, if you've commissioned your boat to have it bottom painted, we're going to put, if we're just recoating it, we use their water-based Aqua One simply for the ease of cleanup and also because the, you know, the fumes aren't there. So our guys can do a couple boats inside. … Another guy can be buffing, you know, and waxing across the room and he's not choking on fumes.Chandlery & retail · North America
If the customer specifies or they have questions, it ends up in our building and we work with them to find the solution. It's not always a direct road there. It's a lot of questions. What type of boat? Where do you keep it? You know, do you have good tidal flush in there? It's not a single faceted operation.Chandlery & retail · North America
The biggest question that we get asked, and I've drove this home. … everybody comes in and the first thing they asked me is, where's that **** I put on last year? I told him, you guys should put that on the cans. Ned took me seriously this year for the first time. And I don't know if that's coming through, but he made me these stickers that we slapped on the cans. And I think it moved the needle. You know, I definitely think it didn't hurt.Chandlery & retail · North America
Well, are you putting it on or is your high school kid putting it on? Because if it's your high school kid putting it on, you probably don't. … He gonna be sloppy, he's gonna get it everywhere. Probably gonna want this water-based stuff you can pressure wash off your driveway.Chandlery & retail · North America
It's not, like I said, it's not always the straight road because in a brick and mortar establishment like ours, right, you know, we don't really do an online internet presence. We sell everything. I put it in the back of their car. I shake their hand. I meet their kids. It's, you know, all encompassing, so to speak. And there's no direct road to the exact bottom paint that they need. You got to figure it out.Chandlery & retail · North America
We decided to store some products, mainly after a study of the rotation rates, and we decided to stock to the volume of store of stock regarding the potential of sales.Coatings distributor · Europe
it's not the only reason because we know that sometimes with some on some products, we have some constraints in terms of manufacturing from the supplier. So we knew we know that the delay of shipping, for instance, are quite unreliable. So we need to store to be sure to have the product available.Coatings distributor · Europe
regarding, for instance, AXO Akzo, we know that we have some key brands. We, it's a must have to have them in stock and also them available.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think it's more based on the... And the needs of the captain or the yacht owners. I think that under the superyachts and so on, the issue of price is not really one. It's they are just trying to have the best products in terms of aesthetic when the part that it's not in the water, but they have also the challenge to reduce the fuel consumption.Coatings distributor · Europe
When a boat is had been produced and the manufacturer, the first system they're applying on the boat, we know that they are trying to keep it all along the life cycle of the boat, because, and also at the end, when you, you know that you will apply some international or Akzo or Hempel, the huge key brands, you know that it's available all around the world.Coatings distributor · Europe
All three of them recommended Awlgrip. One of them, and I can't remember who I can look it up, said we have a choice. There's a new product called HDT, or there's this other one that we're more used to using, which is the old one. And all three of them, and I mean, those are exceptional yards and painters, at least on the West Coast. And all three of them said, we think the HDT is a better product. We think you're going to get a better look and better life out of this product.Private yacht owner
For me, I don't know what the hell I'm doing, right? Like I'm just a, I'm a boat owner that has to trust other people. I don't know anything about paint. I don't know anything about the changes in the science or the updates or this is better than that.Private yacht owner
I think the reason I went with this product is it was unanimous by three shipyards and Alex. So I certainly trusted Alex, but when the other three shipyards said the same thing. I was like, well, then it's easy, right? There was no question going in because everyone agreed that this was the superior product.Private yacht owner
I reached out to David Revay, who's the paint coatings expert who helped us do the destructive testing, had not been hired at the time to be the consultant to review the paint as they went along at that point. And he said, yeah, absolutely, the HDT is the new best coating. If you can do it, you should use that. So again, it was, that was an easy decision because everyone agreed.Private yacht owner
In order to decide, I think the decision half of the times is recreating the same paint system that they have, because they are just happy with it. They are used to seeing the boat like this. And the other half, they is true, they come and maybe they usually have questions.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
For me, there is the color on one side, which is the preference of the customer, as I said, or the use that they give. And the other is the paint system, which for me is what a paint applicator is where we have a role on that decision. Because he comes and depending on the size of the vessel or the use that they give it, as I told you, we can recommend paint like maybe solid colors or basecoat, clear coat systems, depending, okay? They will always follow our, they will always listen to our recommendation, okay?Refit yard / applicator · Europe
OK, now with the paint surveyors, they play, I think, even a more important role on the coating decision than paint applicators back in the day. paint applicator used to be the decision maker, but now with the surveyors, they are the first one recommending to the client and they are the first one getting in touch. So they build the trust and so, but they come with some preference, they seek for some characteristics, we make some recommendations, we sit on a table, ask the surveyor, the owner, representative, captain, or so, and we take, we take a decision.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We prefer to use AkzoNobel, and if the client has no idea, we push him to the products that we are using the most, because the results are the better, the more often we use the products and the guys in the workshop. The better they know the product, the better is the result.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Sometimes we also have clients - in the last project I remember we had a client with an Italian boat restorated from the 1950s. And he wanted to have the original Italian lacquer at Stoppani. Because of the originality that the boat is original coated by Stoppani and then they want it again.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Our storage is... We try to not have hundreds of deliveries or hundreds of products in our storage and try to focus on Awlgrip, mainly Awlgrip.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The service managers on the properties deal with the customers on a daily basis. So they are the ones that are going to be dealing with the comebacks, the call outs, the issues related to the paints. So both Ryan and James are the ones that work with the customer in terms of what they recommend to the customer and they have over the years worker which paints are reliable, most effective.Refit yard / applicator · North America
You have a customer base that is pretty belligerent, stuck in their ways, self-educated and so they stick to it and a lot of our decisions are cost based. And or what's been applied to the boat prior? Majority of it is what was on the boat last year.Refit yard / applicator · North America
They pick the color, yeah, and I would say 80% of it's basically predetermined because of what's on the board boat.Refit yard / applicator · North America
If there's opportunity for recommendation, we are the ones that will recommend a product that we like working with and we can recommend. I find it's probably only about 10 to 20%, maybe even 10% that will choose this that their own, correct, you know? Probably 90% hard to right at least, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Not what we spray them with, but or necessarily how, but they do get to choose colour and we do offer, we offer all the RAM colours so that the camper match factory RAM paint and then we do custom colours as well. So the RAM will get custom painted and then we'll custom paint the camper to match. Doesn't change us on the Awlgrip side, we still spray 545. We had AkzoNobel come in and basically set up a system for us to follow.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Why we ended up with AkzoNobel for automotive was because that's what American Expedition Vehicles spray. So then we can have same mixing bank, same computers, and we can match colours without ever seeing a truck.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
well-being the store manager, it is my duty to study the different paints, the different applications that they can be used for. What's right for aluminum, what's right for steel, what's right for fibreglass boats, what is right for fast boats, slow boats, because there's a different hardnesses. So I taken that upon myself to do a very in-depth study and then explain to the rest of the staff, okay, guys, this is the questions we need to ask. So prepared a full list saying, are you a vessel that's in marinas a lot? Are you a vessel that does a lot of ocean crossings? Again, that will be different pains. Are you an aluminium boat? Because again, that will be different paints. What is your present paint? Is it a soft or hard paint or medium? What are your plans? So I've kind of developed for them a talking book on making the right choices and what is required for that.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
So Topcode, it is me and Julian, which is another gentleman within our organization. He's our buyer. So he has more insight as to what is available other than what we have in-house. So him and I are getting involved in more of the Topcode and larger projects. The antifouling part, it's mostly because it's primarily the smaller boats done by the in-store staff and myself. And if the staff doesn't know, they come to me and we collaborate and make the recommendations accordingly.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
So we try not to start with Brent in any way, shape, or form. We first want to, of course, find out the needs of the customer and what it is that they presently have. If they have like a Micron 99, then we want to find out what their experience is with it. And if everything fits, we recommend stay with the same because you know it and go from there. If they have a paint that is not available within the Caribbean, then we want to make sure that whatever is recommended is compatible with it and get similar results.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
The other thing we need to be aware of is that if people come from Europe, they don't understand that, and antifouling, for example, the growth is entirely different in Caribbean waters than it is in European waters. European waters are colder, they don't have the same growth, they don't have the same barnacle thing. So whatever worked over there may not work here and we make them aware of it. And then we just want to find out, too. There's a lot of cruisers that are six months on, six months off. So they may need, again, a different paint and different application than the ones that are going year-round or long distance. People at anchor a lot, they need a highly ablative. something that is easy to maintain and clean, where somebody needs to travel a long distance, needs a much harder type paint, depending on their speeds, to ensure that the paint remains.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I would say it's a mix of every scenario there. Often they know they're quite experienced, so they know what they're doing, but at the same time, some of them will need a refresher because they haven't done it in a while. We get a mix of wood, fiberglass, aluminum, and steel hull. And often somebody won't have worked on one of those types of holes in a while.Chandlery & retail · North America
It's kind of an elaborate matrix, I suppose, a decision matrix. Some of it has to do with color. Because not, in our short of the Awlgrip world, we don't mix paints. We're using whatever palette is provided.Chandlery & retail · North America
The Toplac offering by AkzoNobel, the Epifanes Enamel, the Pettit Easypoxy, and we have one local enamel company based in Washington. Often, if they really want a color, the paint is only available through that manufacturer. We kind of consider all four of those one part products. There are differences in the quality and application slightly, but we kind of consider them all the one parts a very similar product. So if somebody's really dead set on a color, colour will sometimes dictate which product they use.Chandlery & retail · North America
I prefer to be logistics and not sales. I prefer, and a lot of our customers come in asking for something, and I just try to have it. And any more having it in stock is important because everybody has the option of using Amazon and their total boat line, which has become more and more pressure on me as an independent.Chandlery & retail · North America
All information about the paint we delivered is coming to us. They don't go to AkzoNobel or that, not so much. In Switzerland, but I tell that to all our clients, you are allowed to ask me if you have a problem.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's my job to explain it or to decide for the boatyard which one it should take.Coatings distributor · Europe
No, it's coming from us. … If I get, it's like a guarantee I give, if you work with 545 primer from Awlgrip, you can put the International Perfection Pro on it. They believe to me.Coatings distributor · Europe
I know the clients a little bit how they work. And if I know I have an imperfection undercoat, it's a waiting time too long or too short, and this client want to work only with one prime and not with two and so on, I give a product which is, somebody has it, Awlgrip or international and I mix it. I spoke with that about the technical team from Germany. They approve it. It's okay.Coatings distributor · Europe
For us in this case, since we've been Seahawk and Awlgrip distributors for the longest time ever, I mean we work with them with those brands. I don't stock, for example, I don't stock Pettit or I don't stock Hempel or I don't stock any other paints that are those and I guess to be honest here for now or that's because everybody likes those brands.Coatings distributor · Central America
Which AkzoNobel brands do you use, stock or specify (Awlgrip, International, Interlux, Sea Hawk) - single products or whole systems?55
The only thing that we stock is some Epifanes; that would be the only … product that would be maybe a topside competitor more than anything, yeah, but we it's a pretty small, it's a very small infill category for us that covers products that we don't get through AkzoNobel. … Some two-part polyurethanes, for example.Coatings distributor · North America
We stock Interlux and we stock Awlgrip. International paint, I believe, I don't think we have any, we used to, I think that's now industrial. The industrial versions of that paint is called international and we don't stock any of that. … So we do Interlux and Awlgrip and Awlcraft.Coatings distributor · North America
Because it's a full coat system, so includes international and includes Awlcraft / Awlcraft 2000 and Sea Hawk complete. I mean Awlgrip product from the AkzoNobel group went on that boat, so necessarily.Superyacht builder · Europe
We have selected the three main paint manufacturers for our shipyard and now we have AkzoNobel. So International for filler and the top coat of Awlgrip for our fibreglass coating, sorry, fibreglass models. Sometimes we have some owner that ask full system AkzoNobel for his boat. So we have one project now in steel and aluminium in AkzoNobel. Then we have. A long history of the mixed system, Boero and Topcoat Awlgrip. that is a historical system used by [company]. And in the last year, for the custom yacht, we have a full Jotun system.Superyacht builder · Europe
We know, I think, all the product for the because they know there is two different filler, the lighter, the medium light Interfill, and the Awlfair, the filler of the Awlgrip. But mainly we use the scene, the Interfill 830. Eight 30 this sometime we. Tell us there is some new product like the new glossy primer. … at the end, we consider to change our specification and introduce a new product because we differ, we think it would be better and have advantages to use that product instead of the 545 for example.Superyacht builder · Europe
Sea Hawk. No, I don't. I don't.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think 70% of our sales are AkzoNobel products. Because we also have one other yachting brand that's Jotun, but it's not that familiar in the Netherlands yet. And we have for the retail shops in the smaller boats, we have other brands, but … a superyacht is not interested, like superyacht builders are not interested in those brands.Coatings distributor · Europe
The bottom paints, the Interlux products and the Sea Hawk products, we stock a pretty large quantity of large for us. We definitely stock. We buy it at some of the vendor shows, some of our distributor shows that we go to in fairly large quantities, lasts us probably four or five months out of the year, and then we buy in 10 or 15 gallon increments as we need. But generally we're working out of the product we have stocked on site in our inventory.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The topside coats, the LP, we stock a couple gallon kits of primer and we stock a couple gallons of like snow white, very basic colors. We stock less of that generally though because somebody may show up and say I want, you know, flag blue or I want, you know, medium grey or I want who knows what colour they're going to buy. As far as bottom paints go, you know, the available colours in California is red, blue, and black. So we can stock a fair quantity of those because that's all you're going to get. And the shelf life's really good on them.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We don't really use a whole lot of international products. It's very, very specific. We've done some work with the California Department of Fish and Wildlife, and they like the Intersleek product. But it's been a challenge for us to get. And we've worked through it with one of our distributors. The problem is people in this area and people in my industry, which are, you know, smaller shipyards, we don't deal with that type of product. We don't deal with the international line very often. Everything we do is the Interlux or the Sea Hawk line for the most part.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Realistically, you know, those three product lines, Awlgrip, Interlux, and Sea Hawk, those pretty much cheque all of my boxes. I don't know what other product lines as far as coatings Akzo (AkzoNobel) has, but in all reality, I'm also not looking for any other products. We know the products we use. We have very good results. I mean, you know, damn near 100% quality control with the products that we have. And so it's kind of like it's, you know, if it's not broke, don't fix it.Refit yard / applicator · North America
No, international and Awlcraft. … Yeah, Sea Hawk, I've never touched it in 20 years, so it's not relevant for us.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And again, I did, you just mentioned something like Seahawk. I don't even know what the **** that is. I have no idea. And I've been doing this since 20 years, so I don't even know what that is.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We have started also the Sea Hawk distribution before actually Akzo (AkzoNobel) bought them, and then … we were distributing not through [company] Deniz, but another sister company, the antifouling products, because Awlgrip stopped making antifouling anyways, so we started that and then … Akzo (AkzoNobel) ended up buying them.Coatings distributor · Europe
we did start with Sea Hawk, then we stopped for a while because Akzo (AkzoNobel) apparently … couldn't get their European certification in place, for the chemicals, et cetera, whatever. So we are trying to restart the whole Sea Hawk game. It's going very slow with Akzo (AkzoNobel), as you know. So there are certifications that need to be obtained and everything. And then that's taking ages.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are definitely in a position to sell actually a lot more Sea Hawk than what we're selling today. But we have to know that … the certification is in place, … obviously, Akzo (AkzoNobel) is a corporate giant, and then it has its own rules and regulations, and then things don't move as quickly as Sea Hawk, which was a family company before.Coatings distributor · Europe
we actually have done a few projects where the top sides were done in Awlgrip and the underwater was done in Sea Hawk. So I think they're largely compatible and could easily be sold together.Coatings distributor · Europe
in many of the projects in Turkey, we collaborate with the IP team. … there will be projects where the system will be mixed because … IP has a filler which is substantially lower cost than Awlgrip filler, and filler is a huge expense in big boats. So, we will have boat yards choosing the IP filler over ours for cost considerations.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are the only Awlgrip distributor, whereas I think international has two or three international distributors. The difference is when we collaborate with international, we do not collaborate with its distributors. We collaborate with the main company. … because we quote for the big projects. So they actually override their distributors, but they do not sell it through us.Coatings distributor · Europe
Tank coatings. Tank coatings are very specific to boats. … I have a feeling that certain International products are perhaps not the best products. So actually here in this situation, I might actually go, if the owner is actually going and the painter doesn't know what they want to use, I probably will specify the competitors here. … For tank, specifically for tank coatings. … my impression is that we have less problems with my competitor, or your competitor, or your client's competitor.Coatings consultant
Antifouling, antifouling is also very important. … I have an opinion that maybe the international antifouling is not top of the range anymore. … Jotun. Jotun. They will know this. I'm pretty sure they've got results that justify my opinion, actually.Coatings consultant
In Italy and the Mediterranean, Axalta, Axalta are quite big for topcoats. They're big for topcoats. And we and Boero, we also see Boero in Italy for a newbuild. But we would, I understand the reasoning for using Boero products, but technically we would rather it never come on any of our clients' boats.Coatings consultant
We never, we don't really have much of a presence in America for a variety of reasons. So Seahawk is, I know the brand. … I mean, they're bringing antifouling. If somebody said they were going to put Sea Hawk antifouling on their boat, I wouldn't stop them. But yeah, any other product, I don't think anyone in Europe's ever going to use it. … I only work on big boats. … our average customer is probably 80 metres. … Which … excludes Seahawk from your consideration.Coatings consultant
It's way more. … Underwater paints for us. We do stock. … The AkzoNobel. … It used to be Brightside now that now there's Toplac and we were supporting that line and we do some a little bit of Awlgrip. We don't get too many customers that are … capable enough to handle it. And we kind of will steer them more into the Interlux product. Just so we know that they're not going to have an application error but sometimes they get a guy that did his homework and he wants to give it a try.Chandlery & retail · North America
Being that our local distributor … no longer has a relationship with AkzoNobel. … when I do get a wholesale guy that is in need of Awlgrip, I sometimes do get that business. So we do, I guess. … Not so much on the Interlux side, but on the Awlgrip side, we do wholesale, you know, a reasonable amount of … Awlgrip.Chandlery & retail · North America
It's probably two thirds of what we stock. … As far as top side goes, we have a very small selection of Pettit. … I think we have a couple of their, we have their non-skid paint and quartz because it's a more aggressive, profile than the Interlux. So, it's a different product. … We carry maybe three different, Pettit anti-fouling thing. … And then we carry Sea Hawk, which is also under the AkzoNobel … Umbrella, these days. So I would say, … It's probably three quarter to seven eighths AkzoNobel at this point.Chandlery & retail · North America
I guess without with the exception of maybe a half a shelf of quartz and three different … skus of anti-fouling. It's all Interlux at this point.Chandlery & retail · North America
Yeah, so Sea Hawk, Flexdel, Aquagard (Flexdel brand), however you guys want to refer to them as. We carry the MRT products, so Pettit, Iconicolor, we carry Alexseal, and then a variety of other miscellaneous stuff that I don't think probably they really care about stuff that they have, like Cetol (Sikkens/Interlux wood finish) and random wood stuff that Akzo does play in? Yes, a little bit, but they're really worried about the top side and bottom sides.Coatings distributor · North America
The Flexdel brand, Aquagard (Flexdel brand) as well, we carry both of those. And that's a, I guess I'll let your conversation drive more questions, but that was a brand that again, we had before they acquired it. We believe, and again, I mentioned that we don't have any private brands, we kind of used that as our private brand because we believe it's underutilized in the field. It's an economy paint, but it's good. And frankly, Akzo's (AkzoNobel's) made it better. And they brought some stability to a company that needed stability in regards to quality control and whatnot.Coatings distributor · North America
So we used to carry Awlgrip and Interlux, but again, that was part of the separation years ago. As of today, that is the case.Coatings distributor · North America
Yeah, so we are, we stock their Trilux, their Micron, their ACT, and the Aqua One. We're trying to get a little more into the Bottomkote NT for the faster dry time, but you know, we're building that market. We had pushed premium paints for a long time, and that's sort of a, you know, a tiered. Price point unit paint, but it's what it is.Chandlery & retail · North America
We also carry their like Toplac / Toplac Plus primer system as well, and then I got some of their Sikkens stuff as well, and they got they own a bunch of companies, so it's...Chandlery & retail · North America
We were originally, you go all the way back in time to the Mike Tabor days when Mike Tabor was the big Sea Hawk rep when he left Manomet as a sales rep out of Maine, went to work for Sea Hawk. We were one of the original direct accounts. We were one of the first companies to have that paint line. We worked to develop the paint line in the region. We had a really good following and they gave it to West Marine. West Marine took that paint and devalued the hell out of it. So like we made money on that paint. West Marine was selling it for pennies above cost. We moved away from that product line. It is not an inferior product line. They just devalued it to the point where it wasn't profitable.Chandlery & retail · North America
we sell many, many at, because, because today is the brand dedicated to the and, and yeah, yeah, yeah, we have it, and it was quite complex to handle to manage at the beginning. But when you are … You have the skills and the way to the methodology to apply and to advise directly our customers. It's a very, very good product, yeah.Coatings distributor · Europe
Sea Hawk we are not selling at all. Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.Coatings distributor · Europe
for [company] Reya, as we are not addressing at all the superyachts through the paint business. We are not selling at all Awlgrip because when you are selling this kind of range, you need to have the skills and to be sure that you are able to manage the specification Associated towards these kind of products, so at [company] Maria, as we are addressing the mass market, if I would say we are not selling at all.Coatings distributor · Europe
We use some of that stuff in the bilges and that sort of thing, but not on the whole.Private yacht owner
I don't think the Interlux was ever a consideration for the outside of my boat. At all, no one brought it up.Private yacht owner
I don't know Seahawk.Private yacht owner
everything. There is the two main products in, now talking about top coat, but not main, but the most common, which is the G-Line and the Awlcraft 2000. They, we have been painting with them forever and with... I don't know how long I will say, I don't remember when they came out, but when the clear coats started to be applied on mega yacht also, not only in cars, then also all we spread their products, their family of products. So now we are using pretty much all of them. Basecoat, clear coat, with Awlcraft 2000 or SE / HDT (Awlcraft SE + Awlgrip HDT). And the trend now is going towards basecoat, clear coat system, which will be the HDT, the SE plus HDT, all these products.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
International, yeah. But only in underwater coatings and not that much in... topsides.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Sea Hawk? No, not at all... Most of the products of Sea Hawk are not... all around available in Europe.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We stick to AkzoNobel. That's the parameters we have. They've got a good product. They've got a good backup. They have gone a good Rep in the area.Refit yard / applicator · North America
And they do a lot of their own research and they come in and say I want this paint.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We've just started using the Q code Hydrocoat more even though it stinks so bad in the color code Hydrocoat. Because we have seen that really shine through. It does and holds up.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We spray automotive sealer, water base coat, and then the two-pack clear. So we spray their like full automotive finish system on top of the 545. The water base is, it's technically Sikkens, but that's owned by AkzoNobel. I think all of the automotive line is Sikkens, but we have a mixing bank, so we spray water base of any colour essentially.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Awlgrip's system included a primer called like EP250, which is like the automotive version of Awlgrip. But on a big project like these shells, it just cures too hard too soon. It's like designed to spray a fender, which you can sand like next day. These big shells take a lot of sanding, so it gets too hard too quickly. So we transitioned back to 545. Our AkzoNobel rep was like, that's fine. It's all in the family.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
We actually end mold, and we spray our moulds before we built these big carbon parts. We use a Pro-Line (Sherwin-Williams brand) product, which is owned by Sherwin-Williams. It's a barrier coat, just like for being underwater line and preventing water absorption. Awlgrip doesn't really have a comparable product. If they did, we would probably spray that in mould as well.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
The main brands that we recommend and carry are the AkzoNobel, the Micron 99s, the, oh, now I'm drawing a blank on, but the Trilux (International antifouling), you name it. We also have, which is now also AkzoNobel, Seahawk. That used to be very popular when it still had Tin in it, and they still have the Tin Free 44, and it has built a name, but it's a different pain today than it used to be. And then the harder pains is the Trinidad (Pettit antifouling product), and that's used a little bit more for like power boats and faster boats and long travelling that stay within the water. Amongst the main paints, those are the three major ones. We have a little bit of Unknown brand - possibly a local or regional paint product and this and that, but it really, it really doesn't move much to do anything. We had Jotun in the past. A lot of, we were asked for it a lot by Europeans coming across, but it didn't really sell, so we discontinued that.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I have all four of those brands well represented on my shelves, more so than any other store my size for sure.Chandlery & retail · North America
There is another major brand that's more in the commercial side of it, that's the PPGs, and they make many different products. And I do have them, especially for the fish boats, the steel boats. I have recently have entered a relationship with International's commercial division.Chandlery & retail · North America
Awlgrip products that AkzoNobel has, we tend to not steer the layman towards that and ask them if they come in, I have access to purchasing it for them, but we really require them to tell us exactly what they need, but we never offer that up on our own.Chandlery & retail · North America
Since this long time, I'm an international paint and Awlgrip paint distributor. For me, of course, Awlgrip and international, everything on his range is the best - that sure it must be, but...Coatings distributor · Europe
I have one product from a regional producer, a couple product we don't have in the range of international or Awlgrip, but it is a requested product. So we buy this one as a partner in the market. All the other products I sell, Awlgrip and international.Coatings distributor · Europe
For top coats, 99% of the people here use Awlgrip. We've had cases where boats come over and they have either gel coat on different brands or they have Alexseal but everybody goes with Awlgrip.Coatings distributor · Central America
What are your perceptions of each AkzoNobel brand - overall impression, who it is for, strengths and weaknesses?81
Both brands are incredibly strong. You can't knock either brand. They're both incredibly, as from a brand standpoint or from a market standpoint, they're both really good quality brands. That's apparently known or fairly equal in quality and finish. The biggest thing that, I'd say the biggest difference is our support that we get from AkzoNobel, but also what we do as a company. We have 9 boots on the ground promoting international or Interlux and Awlgrip, Awlcraft products and that helps the customers. Plus, we stock this product in a pretty big way in our Vancouver warehouse, and we can mix here, we can mix Awlcraft 2000, we can mix HDT, we can't do any base clears or SCs or metallics in-house, but the market here is very, very small for that.Coatings distributor · North America
They have a spray off there, but that would be, I don't know if people still use that anymore. It's kind of an old technology. So I would say no, I think the brands are very similar. I think they have a very similar offer. … I don't hear too much about Alexseal anymore. There was certainly a period there where they were just being compared to is very close, so it might have come down, it probably came down to cost and support. And so in both cases, I think likely we were winning and I'm just not hearing about them as much.Coatings distributor · North America
As far as I know, Awlgrip is with International, the two most known brands of the group. I didn't know that Sea Hawk was part of the group until we started the discussing with Alessandro about the possibility of doing the work. While I know Awlgrip was a very well known name of paint, as well as International was a very well known name for filler and technical paint like tanks, anti corrosive and stuff like that.Superyacht builder · Europe
Awlgrip and International. OK, start from International. I think really a good products. Because talking about primer or filler, I think there is a really no problem. And when I talk with our stakeholders and they talked about the International filler. No one said I don't want it or there is some problem. So I feel International is a really good.Superyacht builder · Europe
We don't have the chance to use the lighter filler of International, the new one. For that reason, because we have a history with another brand, also, but I hope to kind of have some project because I'm curious to know how his performance, how his work on a boat.Superyacht builder · Europe
We know there is the spray filler. But we are not ready with our infrastructure tool. To use it.Superyacht builder · Europe
Our contractor when have to spray a lot of square meter, so they spray until 4 sprayers simultaneously, could have problem for the distribution of these metallic finishes.Superyacht builder · Europe
We had done a lot of tests with Awlgrip, but we are not so confident, like, for example, with. … with that, we did, we made the same process. that we asked the paint manufacturer to check the colour that our customer have chosen. and make it easier to spray. So the pigment have the same balance, the same balance, the same, … floaty, good, easier to be repaired.Superyacht builder · Europe
Something we know we're talking about special finish, red metallic, it's difficult, we know, but sometime we need the form from the paint manufacturer more collaboration or maybe custom formula of the colour. to have maybe not the best effect on a panel. But the best result on the boat.Superyacht builder · Europe
because this was a topic that we talk a lot with AkzoNobel. Sometimes we received, this is the best product, the best material that you can find, I believe. But I cannot have the best result on board. Maybe. Should be a compromise, said this. A good product, but is easier for the contractor to have the result.Superyacht builder · Europe
Awlgrip has a better performance on the long term, but if the boat is being finalized, you don't really see a lot of difference between Alexseal and Awlgrip. But if you look at the same boat one year later, the Awlgrip one definitely looks better.Coatings distributor · Europe
We use Interlux paints for a specific subset of customer and we use Sea Hawk paints for a different subset of customers. … generally speaking, commercial boats and municipal boats are moving all the time. And so they would get an ablative style bottom paint versus the private pleasure crafts who may come out, use their boat once or twice a month, but it generally sits in the slip. Those get that, you know, hard epoxy.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The municipalities tend to have a lot of newer aluminium hull boats or, well, generally they're all aluminum. … metal substrates allow for higher VOC usage to remain in compliance. So we can move into a lot of the higher end Sea Hawk paints or really any Sea Hawk paint for those, because a lot of the Sea Hawk paints are not VOC compliant for private pleasure craft in our area. Now, they do have some VOC compliant versions, but they're more expensive.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Akzo (AkzoNobel) did a really good thing by acquiring Sea Hawk and bringing them in because, at least for the people in our area, the Interlux products that cheque the same boxes as the Sea Hawk products are substantially more expensive.Refit yard / applicator · North America
You have to see that Awlgrip comes from the United States. So to paint a superyacht of 100 meters sounds very fabulous and very important. For Awlgrip itself, it doesn't matter. The market they have in the United States with vessels between 9 and 30 meters, … is far larger than producing five 100-meter vessels here. So literally, if we paint here with Awlgrip or not, … They don't care.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
You have the same with Jotun. Jotun is leader in industrial coatings when it comes to yards without any question, and they're still lacking the topcoat concept. So, over the years, because of sorry to say, non-existing technical management, you know, batch failures. At the moment, I don't have the right numbers, but in my feeling, I'm pretty sure that half of the vessels of the size we are painting are used by the German company, Alexseal.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
In our industry, you really say like Awlgrip is still, if you - we said we always say if you have a good batch. … And this is actually very well known at the moment, unfortunately.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It depends on which product, you know. … So, the standard and their most famous part is called G-Line. … which is a hard top coat. And for me, it's still, if it works, the painter's favorite, if it works. Then you got a product they introduced, let me lie to you, 7, 8, 9 years ago, called HDT. … which was a very promising addition to this G line.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And this happened, for example, and this is what I mean, this is the shift. And it's mostly not the clients which are deciding, oh, I want to change the system or whatsoever. It is mainly the paint application companies saying, like, I don't sorry my friends. … I don't do this anymore. We always have trouble. We always have whatsoever. … I painted 20 boats with the ultra matte in 20 years. Newbuilds or refits. There's only one, only one, whichever worked. So you can imagine when I'm asked, what would you do? … I will not even mention it. And I'm even going that far to say, gentlemen, you want to use that system? Can we talk about something else? Why? My life is easier, your life is easier, the whole process is easier. And, unfortunately, over the years, and with missing technical advice, this happens to Awlgrip, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
International provides, especially we're talking about primers and we're talking about fairing compounds, they're excellent, very different, excellent something. I know they're on the same umbrella, but it's a very, very, very different perception and a very, very different use as well. We love international. Every product they have, we love it. There's no deck on the planet which is not painted with 720 from international. Most of the newbuilds, especially in the north of Europe, the big ones, they love to use their international primers and fairing compounds. … and then putting Alexseal on top of it. … Anti-fouling, which means underwater coating. We love it.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
if you go to a yard, any yard in Turkey and say, ask this question like, hey, what do you think is the most premium coating system, they're going to say, Awlgrip, there's really not much discussion in that.Coatings distributor · Europe
Awlgrip is … we always, we don't associate … Awlgrip with Boero as a competitor … our … message to the yards … guys, come on, let's not compare apples to oranges.Coatings distributor · Europe
because of the perceived quality element to it, and also some of the technical differences that we also know and can actually explain to the yards quite well.Coatings distributor · Europe
we probably have the best pedigree than any other brand in the market. … we have our castle is hard to break, if you know what I mean.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm proud of what we have achieved and continue achieving with the Awlgrip brand.Coatings distributor · Europe
Boero filler is not the same technically as Awlgrip filler. It's not the same as International filler. It's not the same as Alexseal filler. So there is a technical difference. … it's a product that's very easy to apply, but it can go very wrong very quickly. So when you get into that market that's price driven … for the manufacturer and the painter, they would rather use Boero, because they're not living with the consequences of it. They get it cheap, they get it easy. Once the boat leaves, they don't give a monkey's. But I'm working for an owner, he does care.Coatings consultant
Historically, and I'm talking like when I first joined in the early 90s. Awlgrip were like the number one in big boats. … you would look on boats for sale and it would say, oh, recently Awlgripped. This was like a selling point. … They didn't say recently refitted. It said recently Awlgripped. … Awlgrip are the number one … historically the number one in … super yacht market, refit and newbuild super yacht market. They were the number one probably by miles.Coatings consultant
Now, obviously, the markets... It's less, yeah, there's no technical benefit to use it. So now Alexseal have got good products, they've got good product support. … so they've got a foot in the market. Jotun even have got a foot in the market. Because again, their products are, everybody's products are sort of like for like interchangeable. I mean, if you took the labels off and just put generic labels on them, primer, filler, high build, undercoat, top coat. If you just put a generic label on it, you could mix and match them and there wouldn't be any, … A, I don't think there'd be any technical problem and B, the end result would be the same.Coatings consultant
When Awlgrip have been … in a position to be number one for 30 odd years … when you've been the number one for so long, you do get a bit of an arrogant … arrogant laziness to you. … when you were the new kid on the block, … I flipped Awlgrip from some customers … because I made more effort.Coatings consultant
Akzo took over International Paint, but then they decided that Awlgrip was the number one brand for exterior. So, you've got even though there's people that liked International filler and Interfill 830, and there is still people that use Interfill 830. And on the interiors, like Awlgrip, only exterior, Awlgrip doesn't do interiors and Awlgrip doesn't do underwater. So international, they made that decision, split that brand … we have customers that use Interfill 830 and then put Awlgrip top coat on.Coatings consultant
I think when Sea Hawk was on their own and they were pushing up against Interlux, I think they did a fine job positioning themselves to be a premium brand above the premium brand, if that makes sense.Chandlery & retail · North America
Interlux took over Sea Hawk the urgency kind of dissolved a little bit for us … the previous Sea Hawk rep was now selling Sea Hawk and Interlux so there was less competition against the Interlux label and the Interlux rep was also selling Interlux and Sea Hawk. You know, they're all in the same families, they're all playing nice in the sandbox so I didn't have that, you know, from a retail perspective when the customer comes in and he demands a product and it happens over and over. All right now I'm behind it. Now I have to be behind it because we want to tell what we want to sell but we have to sell what they want to buy.Chandlery & retail · North America
We kind of … are more Believers than the Interlux label. It feels right for us to advertise all the same label. So when I say, I have a good better best for bottom paint, … It's so much easier for us to say it's this brand, it's in that this label and then Sea Hawk, we still support it. There are people that still believe it's a premium to the Interlux product. … But it's a lot less of an issue these days for us.Chandlery & retail · North America
I know I'm aware of a few local marinas that they want the best high-end marinas and they'll use … Seahawk Biocop because they believe it is the best. So if they, I think that reputation for it being a premium product is still there. But as far as in my store it's not so much of a concern.Chandlery & retail · North America
My personal experience with the company is that they're unreliable, they could be a different company right now, but I wouldn't know because I've kind of jumped ship a long time ago and never looked back. there was a time that they had the strongest sales rep … and strong management as well. And it all dissolved real fast. And I they didn't feel like a company I could count on, they would have … a line of products and one year. And then, the next year, all the products that you've been pushing and trying to develop, … that market recognition. … All of a sudden, they disappear and they relabel, the whole line.Chandlery & retail · North America
I was like, I can't be doing this. I can't have a guy asking for. he used to be that product and now we don't have that product. We have this other product now but it's this is that it's like no, that's not a conversation for me. So, as far as it's viewed in the market, I don't think that the consumer sees or thinks what I see … the consumer that was buying 10 years ago was buying a label that I remember … That customer probably moved on. So the guy that's buying a higher end, Pettit product now … I think probably feels the same way about Pettit that I might feel about Interlux.Chandlery & retail · North America
Exactly. Yeah, I think the product is fine. I don't think they … had … any products that were terrible, I've never sold the product and had an issue with … there was a time that we sold more Pettit than Interlux.Chandlery & retail · North America
Say reliable. … Complete. … Reliable and complete are pretty much. … An entire picture of how I kind of view the company.Chandlery & retail · North America
I guess I would probably say reliable and as far as … As far as how I believe it's viewed or how I would suggest it to be viewed to a customer, I guess I would say reliable on premium.Chandlery & retail · North America
I think they have, I would consider Sea Hawk mid to premium, depending on the product that you select. Obviously, they have BioCop, that's a premium product. They have Cukote (Sea Hawk antifouling), my opinion, premium product. Even AF33, my opinion, pretty premium product, mid-tier price point, but pretty premium product and we have a lot of boat yards that use it. So as a whole, in my opinion, Seahawk leans more towards a premium product than it does certainly. It's not economy in any point. They have one or two lower priced paints, and they're good performers. But I would consider them certainly mid to premium, depending on the product selection.Coatings distributor · North America
Again, depending on the product, I think it's the exact same situation for Interlux. There's a lot of loyalty behind the brand. Again, my personal opinion is that they have lost loyalty in our trade area because we don't carry it. And obviously my job is to instruct our sales team to sell them something. And I'm going to turn to other premium alternatives, oftentimes at Sea Hawk.Coatings distributor · North America
We feel as though there's a huge opportunity out there for them with that Flexdel brand, but it's lacking marketing resources. It's lacking some horsepower. And support from them, in my opinion. And we've shared that with them as well.Coatings distributor · North America
Pettit's kind of had a huge shake up in their reps. Not that that would like shake my confidence in the product or anything like that. Like they make this product Pettit Prop Coat Barnacle Barrier, part #1792. It's a fantastic product. I think it outperformed some of the Interlux products. But they don't have any reps right now.Chandlery & retail · North America
In New England, specifically to our region, change is slow. And I don't mean like, like the seasons. I'm talking like to get people to change their business practices. My owner is a perfect example. My boss's name is John. He's owned this place, built it on blood, sweat, and tears. And he likes Interlux paint. … you're not going to change his mind that there's a better paint out there. So rather than swim upstream, man, you know, I'm not, we're trying to set trends, but ones that align with the company's, you know, vision.Chandlery & retail · North America
Really, Interlux hasn't rebranded in a long time. And another, you know, if we're just chatting, … they're horrible at releasing new products. Like take Micron Navigator, for example. … the major distributor for us here, at least in our region, is going to be Land 'N Sea. In New England, it's referred to as Kellogg, but nationally it's the Land 'N Sea, you know, product line. And on the back of their cover of their master catalog for two years, they ran a picture of this paint that no one could buy. They had it on the side of the delivery truck. … and you couldn't buy it. Like it was advertised everywhere. So then they finally released it. … 2 years later, it comes out. I instantly buy it.Chandlery & retail · North America
I get people hooked on it. This product works. It works well, specifically in our waters. And then they discontinue it. So I've transitioned all these guys out of like Micron CSC into this water-based navigator. … And then they stop making it. So like, now where do you go with that? Like, how do you hold consumer confidence? How do you hold that guy's confidence? Because you've taken them from a product that kind of worked to a product that really works to that product's not available anymore.Chandlery & retail · North America
I made some calls. I tried to figure out what was going on. Apparently it turns to pudding in the can and temperatures over 90 degrees if it's stored in a warehouse and the paint sours. Fix the formula, send it back out. I got people that will buy it.Chandlery & retail · North America
You release a new top side paint with none of the new colors. You release a new bottom paint and then you discontinue it. Like it's just challenging from that standpoint.Chandlery & retail · North America
Only for us, it's only for superyachts with no, only for superyachts, or some, yeah, boats with the size of from 25 metres upwards.Coatings distributor · Europe
you have this, this, I know this level where the price are not is not is not anymore a question, so when you don't have any question on price and no no matter on on that part. You will choose, of course Awlgrip.Coatings distributor · Europe
The international, the key brand in France or maybe in Europe, they are the most renowned brand on our market. … international is the brand on the antifouling in France. They have a wide range of products, but they are perceived as a premium … Premium brand, because it's quite expensive, but the quality is incomparable, if I would say, to competitors.Coatings distributor · Europe
International need to maybe to innovate more, because they have some key key products … but they need maybe to innovate a little bit more, to show that, to solve this dynamism on the market, and maybe to keep, yeah, the perception of a brand that is stronger than the other.Coatings distributor · Europe
Hempel is more, is very, it's a challenge brand on yachting because there are more, well today, there are well-known on the marine application. When I say marine, it's addressing the all the job around the sea, around the ocean. It's not like a, it's not the leisure market. We know that they are pushing to be more present on the leisure because as they are not so present, it's also a huge potential for them, but today they are not as present as international, so AkzoNobel and the white label.Coatings distributor · Europe
The original paint job on my boat was with Alexseal. And part of the reason we used it is Alex and someone else had said, hey, Alexseal just came out with this new product. It's more repairable than the Awlgrip stuff and the old Alexseal. So we went with that. And I don't know if it's really more repairable, quite honestly. It looked, you know, we had a lot of issues with the old paint that I told you about, cracking and stuff. So the areas that they did looked pretty good, but it was also looking patchworky after five or four years.Private yacht owner
From what I've seen of the pictures. It looks, it's going to look twice as good as it used to look. So I'm super excited.Private yacht owner
For me, that the to summarize the three first will be like the leader of the industry for me, I believe, at the end. And also for me, the whole group is the accessibility. I don't know if that is properly saved, but you can get very easily to their technicals, to their supply channels. The paint is available for you when you need it. The assistance is available. So for me, it's not only perfection, but perfection and professionalism.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
very good protection. Now it's also the same with the top code. There is many products also on the market, but the international antifoulings are still the top of the game. And now if they keep going with like a healthy environment, kind of antifoulings and so on, it makes like a good balance between sustainability and performance. I think they can get even a bigger share.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I'm not here to lie about Sea Hawk. I have very little opinion or I think it's not significant what I can say about them. Okay, because it's just the product is a very good product and it has a lot of movement in the chandleries. Okay, I know it's on our shelves. But me personally, I am not doing with my clients that kind of product.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Of course, yeah, Awlgrip is a premium product, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Absolutely. Good product, easy use, good results. We have a painter on site that swears by. They've been very good in follow up training. New product, all the rest of it. It's not a hard sell, which is what we enjoy. It's not a case of come have a look at this and then try and sell you on something. No, they've been like, hey, listen, I've got this product. Do you want to come and have a look?Refit yard / applicator · North America
Different products, customer specific because of the price difference. But we the VOCS from it are pretty brutal, so we have to be very mindful of where we apply most of the Sea Hawk and that that we applies to the bottom paint. Um. It's somewhat of a pricier product. So it's implied to customers that we select and we know that we can say to them, hey, listen, this is a good product and we've had good results with it. But man, it's brutal in terms of the VOC.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I have been recommending it more lately, yeah, because when you haul a boat out that has that. I think it was a Hydrocoat or color. Well, we both and they both cleaned it, pressure washing it and the boat comes clean and it almost looks shiny. It's it's a good product, a great paint, you know, but the fumes that come off of it. Yeah, noxious, but I suppose that's. Yeah, it's probably the most noxious bottom thing we apply out of anything, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Single stage Awlgrip is pretty bulletproof. I mean, I've seen my whole life we've sprayed big boats and yachts that live in saltwater. And that stuff just really lasts. I mean, I think even as a kid, I think our water slide was sprayed in Awlgrip and just really confidence inspiring. My thought on anything marine is if it's designed to sit in salt water the majority of its life, it's going to do a pretty good job on land. So it's pretty forgiving. You know, it's designed to be sprayed in harsh environments.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
It is exceptionally tough. Yeah, it's good enough for yachts. It's definitely good enough for, like we spray it on our cabinets, on the, we build composite cabinets in these campers and we spray single stage Awlgrip that we knock down to a satin with your matte additive. And so it's like if that paint could be sitting on it out on a boat on a dock. It makes pretty tough cabinetry.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Interlux a tiny bit. It's been, it's kicked around the boat yard quite a bit. Seahawk I've never used. Used some competitors, Alexseal or whatever it's called.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I'm a huge Gallagher and AkzoNobel fan. I mean, we, yeah, so I'd say it's AkzoNobel and Awlgrip in my life. And, you know, I mean, my dad's little office at his boatyard has had an Awlgrip sign on it from I would picture me. I must be like 2 years old standing in front of an Awlgrip sign.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
At [company], we build $600,000 carbon fibre campers. So it's like, if I could find something better, easier, not necessarily cheaper, because we're not really into cutting corners there, but if I could find something better, I would switch. But it's, we're not looking actively because what we spray now is high quality and produces a really, you know, professional level finish.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
All Grip is a two-part polyurethane paint. So what that really means, the way we explain it to a customer, is that you get a very hard-wearing paint, very durable that can withstand the UV. It is relatively easy to apply. I don't say it's easy, but it is relatively easy to get a good result because it's a well-made product. It has good guidelines provided by the company in what is needed. And we make people aware of it, the booklets, the everything else. and also for people for maintenance. So if people are looking to get the boat back up in tip-top shape and looking new, that's what we recommend and how we explain it to them.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
The mega yachts on the flip side are familiar with it all. So we usually don't have to explain that much. other than they need to kind of know, okay, what have you got in inventory, et cetera. But they are easy to work with. We also make them aware of the fact that we have the ability here to custom make the colours so that we mix a paint if it's not available.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
International, because international covers a few areas. So they're in the mid-range and the up-range. With the international, we have like the bilge coats and things like that. They probably are superior products in that particular field. When we go to the regular one-part panes, there's things that are close or similar. What comes to mind is like the Unknown - possibly a one-part paint brand name or things like that. And there's sometimes similar like that, but international, yeah, mid to upper range.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
We primarily see Seahawk as something that is positioned in the cruisers world. So the medium, small vessels, medium vessels up to the 50, 60 footers, not really much more, but mostly 50. Primarily the cruisers, I mean, like mentioned, it built a very strong name for itself with a tin that apparently worked very well, sometimes better than other times. But now that that's gone, it has lost a little bit of its edge in that sense. Yeah, it's not a growth market that we see today, but it's still a well-respected product in the cruiser market and industry.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I think all the companies make decent products across the board. I really don't have a problem and they all definitely have their applications. For me, a lot of it has to do with my perception is tainted by my access and price and being able to sell it as a retailer at a market reasonable price.Chandlery & retail · North America
Awlgrip, yeah, definitely a premium product. Definitely, it's got a great reputation. In our yard, people would prefer to have Alexseal, which has even a better reputation, but it is, they don't have the support in the states, at least on the West Coast.Chandlery & retail · North America
As far as the Toplac does seem like a really good, easy to apply, flow out better, lay flat, and produce a really easy, idiot-proof application.Chandlery & retail · North America
In our market, the barrier coat, Interprotect, which is used on a poor condition fibreglass hull and sometimes from metal as a barrier coat. In our market, people love it. It's a little different ratio than the other companies and packaged differently. And that product has a reputation that I sell. It's like 90% of my barrier coat market.Chandlery & retail · North America
The Interprotect product is not that at all. And it goes on thinner, so you actually should put on 6 coats instead of maybe three with another product. It seems harder to use from both a ratio and an application standpoint, but people love it.Chandlery & retail · North America
If we speak about the primers to protect steel, aluminium, polyester and wood, we have a very good range which is working very well. This is premium. And the antifouling, we are premium, but the research of new products is really a little bit low.Coatings distributor · Europe
Perfection is a very good product for rolling, for the retail, but not for professional spraying. So we have to devise. It's a good product for the one who is rolling the boat, small boat yards also, they like it, but it's not as good as Awlgrip. … If I give Awlgrip, a good Awlgrip top coat to a person which does not know a much of painting or rolling … Awlgrip is too good. We give Perfection. It's easier to work. So we have less UV protection. We can polish it a little bit less good. We have not so much colors, different colors. But we have a very easy product to roll it for the professional, but no experience. And if you have a professional who knows to spray, who does it every year, several times, we have to give Awlgrip. But good luck, we have both.Coatings distributor · Europe
If you want to have something like matte or satin and not brilliance, we have to go to Awlgrip. That's their business.Coatings distributor · Europe
Whatever they did in the past as far as marketing or their stuff does what they say it does. So it works, that kind of stuff. It worked very well because everybody pretty much on this side they use Seahawk.Coatings distributor · Central America
The only difference to be honest between Interlux and Seahawk is a price point. Seahawk is a little bit more comfortable as far as the price point and then Interlux is a little bit more expensive, not not, technology wise. I'm really not sure if there is a difference. I think they're kind of the same, but it's just a little bit more expensive.Coatings distributor · Central America
Where does each brand sit in the market - premium, mid-market or value?33
I'd say premium, yeah, premium product. low margin, low margin, competitively priced, yeah. I think that's the one thing we'll all complain about us as a distributor and the dealer is there's not a lot of margin in it. It's expensive.Coatings distributor · North America
Awlgrip a little bit more margin because you're not selling that … most likely to an end user, but yes, most, most both products would be premium.Coatings distributor · North America
Compared to each other, Interlux versus Awlgrip, they're really different beasts.Coatings distributor · North America
A premium. All of them.Superyacht builder · Europe
No. I think they're about the same, but since Awlgrip is more expensive. They might see it as, yeah, I don't know, maybe, I'm not sure, but they represent them the same. I think they're quite similar.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think Jotun can be premium, but they don't have the brand recognition yet. And the people interested in Jotun are looking into saving money on their current painting system and therefore choosing Jotun.Coatings distributor · Europe
No, not necessarily. I mean, you know, they are Sea Hawk, the Sea Hawk bottom paints and the Interlux bottom paints were competition for a while. Now we use Interlux paints for a specific subset of customer and we use Sea Hawk paints for a different subset of customers. So they've never really clashed as far as our facility goes and as far as other shipyards in our area go. Awlgrip being that it's a top coat versus a bottom paint is definitely I wouldn't even say comparable to the two. Awlgrip is definitely looked at as a premium product. You know, there are cheaper LPs that are used in this area. … generally speaking, the marine industry in our area uses Awlgrip. Anybody that's painting boats is paint with Awlgrip.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I do believe this is still the top, I do believe, especially when it comes to Awlcraft, which is acrylic, you know, I don't want to go too technical. When it comes to acrylic, there's only one brand you use, and this is Awlcraft. Nobody else. There's nobody else.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
But mostly this part isn't - you talking now to a super yacht specialist. These coatings, they're used for boats between, let me lie to you, 5 to 40 meters or sailing boats, for example. You're talking at the moment to a guy who is doing plus 100, plus 80 meters. … And then you have to use Awlgrip. … When it comes to acrylic paints, there's only one brand I would recommend, and this is Awlcraft. It doesn't matter if it's the Awlcraft SE / Awlcraft 2000. If it comes to the polymers, to hard top coats, … I'd rather use Alexseal.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
probably if you look at the premium premium side of things, Alexseal is the only brand that that is really trying that.Coatings distributor · Europe
Jotun is a good product, especially it's a good product for the price. So it's a difficult, more difficult argument there.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are selling probably … the most expensive coating system in the market.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think Interlux, as far as the way we sell it, we, I would say it picks up in mid-market and goes to the high-end Market. it covers the whole Spectrum. I think, Sea Hawk maybe does the same thing, but when we introduce Sea Hawk, we didn't pick up at the bottom. … We kind of started at their middle of the road paint and went to the top.Chandlery & retail · North America
Interlux, we offer the entire line, so from the bottom to the top. So again, back to our marketing message, if I could show, … a flyer and say we have all the paints everything you need from 99 a gallon and show Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One). And say that, there you go. This is a whole spectrum of products from the bottom to the top.Chandlery & retail · North America
The guy that comes in and he's prepared to spend over $300 on a gallon of paint. It's usually asking for the Sea Hawk products over the Interlux stuff. … I am not in a very high-end area. … family middle class where some of the areas that are kind of upper middle class. … A little more discretionary income, they might not look at $100 a gallon like it's a big deal. … My typical customer is definitely a value buyer. He's looking to save wherever you can save.Chandlery & retail · North America
When the guy comes in educated, he really did his homework and he's educated, he's often a seafarer. … If he's prepared to spend the money, he's asking for the Sea Hawk. And that I think is again, if I could say one in 20, that's rare for me. … I think if I was in a different geographical location that, maybe even would flip.Chandlery & retail · North America
I would consider Sea Hawk mid to premium, depending on the product that you select.Coatings distributor · North America
Pettit, I think they make great products all throughout. I would say they would perceive themselves as upper mid-tier premium. But again, they have Triton premium product, a diehard premium, or a big time premium product in my opinion. But Akzo has products to go up against it. There's no doubt about that. And just as premium.Coatings distributor · North America
Sometimes people get sticker shock. So, you know, they walk in and I go, yeah, well, this gallon of paint's 180 bucks. And they're like, whoa, it's just a little harbor skiff. So MarPro / Marpac is a Donovan brand paint line.Chandlery & retail · North America
it's a premium product, yeah.Coatings distributor · Europe
we know that this kind of product, they are gaining more and more market share because they have decided to be more positioned on the entry level. It's also a way to promote their own brand in terms of network. But this is also maybe the reality that today the end user is looking more the price effect that the maybe the Quality of the product.Coatings distributor · Europe
Oh, absolutely. I mean, you know, you're spending $500,000 or $600,000, right? Painting your boat. Like if someone came in and said, hey, this is better and it's $50,000 more, you probably just do it.Private yacht owner
Well, for me, the AkzoNobel, as I pretty much said now, is top of the market. This is a premium brand. I think he has a the competitor also. Alexseal is a very good brand, but is like speaking about Apple or Samsung. OK, it's very good Mark, but and it's different kind of things. Products perform very similar, but for me, the top of the market is is yet or still still is.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Of course, yeah, Awlgrip is a premium product, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Epifanes - below, definitely below. … The feeling of Epifanes is... I would say more DIY than...Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We're not using the super low. Most guys aren't using the craziest high and so we're right in the middle on a lot of general stuff and usually the customers are happy. That's the way, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
It is a very broad market for what I can see. We see it from small fishing boats and taxi boats that we sell it to, and I'm talking 25, 30 footers that want to have a very nice looking vessel to, you know, 300 foot or 100 metre yachts. Yeah, so it's a very diverse market.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Awlgrip is a premium product and also seen as a premium product. And there's many other polyurethane paints available, some one part, some two-part, but Awlgrip definitely has a very good precision in the market.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
There are select products within that. An example of something that's changed, one of the varnishes we really championed was Pettit's Captain's Varnish, and it was positioned as a very lower in the price, as a lower price point. Just past the pandemic, it might have been 20, fall of 22, they had a substantial price increase and now it's more expensive than what people consider the Cadillac of varnishes, which is the Epifanes clear.Chandlery & retail · North America
I used to buy cases of that in the fall buying opportunities, and now I don't, partially because people don't want to pay $70 a quart for the varnish when Epifanes is 65. And so it's like, and people are, and given the current economy and the state of affairs, people are very price sensitive right now.Chandlery & retail · North America
I have customers that could care less too. And I have a certain segment of customers that want to spend money because I think it's getting them something more. So I have the whole, and you kind of, in the first few seconds of talking to somebody, you can kind of gauge what kind of customer they are.Chandlery & retail · North America
On top, we are great. It's below water where the problem is. But you see, it's like if you have a bread and a butter. Bread is the antifouling. The butter, you can eat the bread without butter, but never butter without bread. So antifouling is a base of international. We have to be modern and good.Coatings distributor · Europe
In antifouling we have a premium production. We have premium products, but I think the time is running for keeping still premium with the new products. This is a little bit dangerous in the moment.Coatings distributor · Europe
Do the AkzoNobel brands feel clearly differentiated from each other, or do they overlap?25
Honestly, if they all, if they will be all under the same name for me, it wouldn't change anything. If I was to decide, I would name them … under the same.Superyacht builder · Europe
For instance, I am a little bit inside, you know … I read specifications, I compare them, I know I like to learn the names of the products and stuff like that, but. The CEO of [company], OK, the CEO, the CCO, they don't know, they don't like to read the specification and they always get confused by it. They say, OK, let's if a client asked to have international, for instance, feel international, they would say, oh, we don't know, we've never done a boat with international. And … when they call me, did we, didn't we do a boat with international? I said yes. It's the one under the name of AkzoNobel. It's international. If somebody is inside the thing, it's not a problem, but if somebody is higher, like with a helicopter view of it, it will get confused.Superyacht builder · Europe
No, I think that depend also depended on their experience with previous boats …. But no, I thought everyone like they will stick to a brand, but now we see a shift from Awlgrip to Alexseal, so they are not really that strict to brand, so...Coatings distributor · Europe
Well, I mean, I understand they're different companies. I understand they're all owned by the same, you know, AkzoNobel owns them all, but I mean, I understand that Interlux is a, you know, a standalone company at some point, and Awlgrip is a standalone company, and Sea Hawk is currently a standalone company. But as far as operationally goes, I see them all basically the same. It's the same guy that I call for Interlux and or Sea Hawk. And it's another guy who I call for the Awlgrip products if I have a question or we need anything.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Yes, I understand they are different products, they're different lines, they're different companies, but being that they're under the same umbrella, it just depends on what problem I have as to where I look. And that kind of shapes how I see the three brands and then, you know, AkzoNobel (Akzo) above them.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Toyota is not Lexus, you have two different, very different cars, same company, yeah? Don't buy a Toyota, you know, but buy a Lexus, absolutely.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I haven't seen any marketing for international at all. … But I can assure you that again, you can ask whoever in the whole industry, we all love international. You can see a lot of marketing for Awlgrip. And I can assure you as well, sure you have other interviews, you will hear exactly the same.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
My gut tells me people still view them as two different brands. And they've done a pretty good job through their transition, in my opinion, of making sure that that is still realized. I do have concerns about the ultimate direction of where they go. I hope they don't fold a whole bunch of products into one another.Coatings distributor · North America
There might be a pocket in Florida that is a diehard Interlux, and there's pockets in New Jersey that are a diehard Sea Hawk. And even though they're produced by the same people, they could look, if one went away, the customer could look and say, well, I'm not going to buy Interlux, give me Pettit.Coatings distributor · North America
Yeah, fair question. I don't know if I have the exact answer to it. There's components of it. … One, certainly water conditions. Two, environmental issues. Some particular areas perceive one brand to have an environmental issue versus another. whether that's, in my opinion, that's just a fallacy, but some believe that. And once you have that thought in your head, that could be the case. I think in our industry is, it's large, but it's not that large. … There's been a lot of acquisitions of customers and it's an old time industry. So there's a lot of family businesses out there where the grandson grew up in the boat yard and his grandfather used that brand. So that's what he's diehard loyal to too.Coatings distributor · North America
Unfortunately, I don't really manage the range, but on international and it's clear, it's well, for instance, for [company] Reya, as we are not addressing at all the superyachts through the paint business. We are not selling at all Awlgrip … as we are addressing the mass market … And for international, as you have, yeah, it's more easier to push.Coatings distributor · Europe
I don't think the Interlux was ever a consideration for the outside of my boat. At all, no one brought it up. And again, going back to, I don't know what I'm doing, I have to trust the experts.Private yacht owner
For me, I think, yes, they are offering the same. I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna lie, because they... At the end is the market who is leading all of these things, okay? … yes, they have similar lines of products, and the... service that they provide to you, pre-sale or post-sale, also needs to be equally the same because we need the same kind of assistance. But I think with Awlgrip, you may find you, I think you still find more of a structure kind of company powerful.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
it's true, the products are the same, the service is the same, we obtain more or less the same. Pricing is again marked by the market, so prices is pretty similar. And for me, I think that with the clear coat systems, also, Alexseal is very good. But for example, with the solid colors, the polishable, the Awlcraft 2000 from Awlgrip is a product also been here forever. It's also still very maybe on top.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Absolutely. Choice, price and ease of application. Break it into those 3. And also then you can break into a fourth category in terms of some of the products can't be applied to certain metals.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Sea Hawk has 30 different paints. We only have experience with three of them because there was what was on the boat. Same with the Interlux or any other brand we typically use. A lot of exploring usually doesn't have. It's very risky to explore in the general category. Like we might see that somebody requests a certain bottom thing and we see it turns out good and then OK, we know that one, but you know to experiment with the whole lot is, you know, expensive and a risky, yes, position. It's been done and it's been a. Yeah, where we've had to haul one boat out, sand it off for free, paint it for free, because we recommended it, right?Refit yard / applicator · North America
Their Colour Build (AkzoNobel/Sikkens product) and AkzoNobel or Colour Build (AkzoNobel/Sikkens product) is the same as like the new Awlgrip urethane primer. It's like you just look at them, they're different names, they all do the same thing. They're probably maybe a little bit different, but it's interesting and they have different costs associated with them, so it's like seems like a little bit... it's not transparent enough, I guess.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
By having both, you know, having a water-based surface cleaner from Awlgrip and a water-based surface cleaner from AkzoNobel, like it's the same product. And then it takes time for me to be like, oh, who do we buy the Awlgrip one from? Oh, Land and Sea. Could we buy the AkzoNobel one from? Oh, our local paint rep. Like, what do they cost? Like, oh, the Awlgrip one's cheaper. You know, just like, I don't know. Just seems it's... not sneaky, but it's like, ohh, no one would know that these were the same products, unless like they had them in front of them, because they're not called out the same products, they don't have the same product number.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Definitely a family, but not... Yeah, yeah, exactly, exactly. A very dysfunctional family.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
So the brands we keep, as we make recommendations to the customer, independent. We don't explain to them that Seahawk is part of the AkzoNobel Group or anything. It's just that's one. Seahawk is 1 brand. The AkzoNobel products are their own brands and international brands. and then work with the customer, which potentially suits them best. Seahawk has the Colorkote. That's probably the best growing market right now. And yeah, we let them choose that way. We don't try to educate them in that sense. Just make sure they get the right paint.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
No, I... I think there's probably in any given product, maybe a 10% delta. … AkzoNobel with having Awlgrip in our market, they have a wider variety of products, so I can actually tailor things.Chandlery & retail · North America
I think everybody in the market has a product that will do the job. How it's priced and its availability to me comes down at the end of the day.Chandlery & retail · North America
The Awlgrip we do have in our house. So I have Perfection today as a second and Awlgrip is the first. This is the premium.Coatings distributor · Europe
We are, we should keep the premium product name and the difference of Awlgrip and Perfection of international. This is great. It's working. Some products we can move, switch over for both clients if there's a client of international. And, for example, we don't have a product there, but it's not coming. I take one from Awlgrip and it works.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think that Seahawk is more your day-to-day. I guess kind of like you could probably say Toyota, you know that it's a good brand, it's not cheap, but it works perfectly and it's good quality and everything. And then Interlux could probably go kind of towards the Lexus kind of thing where it works, it's kind of the same thing, it's just a little bit more pizzazz, but I think it's more of a marketing thing maybe that Interlux is more marketed towards higher end.Coatings distributor · Central America
Which competitor brands do you come across, and which compete most closely with the AkzoNobel brands?35
Most of our boat building business in Canada has been around a long time and they have a really good understanding of what they're looking for. We really only have one major competitor. I mean, there's a few, but the one major competitor in North America is Pettit. Pettit and Hempel. Yeah, well, Hempel for anti-fouling, but I mean, topside and a full package is Alexseal, right?Coatings distributor · North America
Up against Awlgrip, Alexseal, Pettit, Hempel.Coatings distributor · North America
We have. That now is, I think, Axalta. So, that we use for the special effect finishing. We had some project with Alexseal. But he is the owner of the cast request. And. We know, but I think we don't have projects from ages with PPG, with Standox, with Pinmar.Superyacht builder · Europe
Other sometimes other paint manufacturers try to come and sell their products, but for us is difficult to change because if we have agreement for big volume with the three main paint manufacturer, sometimes it's difficult to have only one project. The only way is if our customer ask something this different.Superyacht builder · Europe
What we now see is that Alexseal is one of the biggest competitors of Awlgrip. So yeah, our main focus is to show them that Awlgrip is better and to change them. But yeah, that's a price point, yeah, that's the price and the support is the problem there.Coatings distributor · Europe
Previously 80% of the boats were painted in Awlgrip, but now I think it's only 20%, so it changed to, yeah, so it shifted. But the Netherlands is a bit of a hard country, so to say, because they are very, they're not things that happened in the past with AkzoNobel, they will always remember it. … people remember, always remember the things that went wrong instead of what went well. But now I see that there is things are shifting and there's more interest in Awlgrip again, but it's slowly, slowly changing.Coatings distributor · Europe
If there are several big yacht painters in the Netherlands, and if they change their preference to one of the brands, 50% of the Dutch built yachts will be in the other brand. So it's a really tricky business as well. If they prefer the other brand, then they will … a lot of boats will be changed to that brand.Coatings distributor · Europe
Jotun in our market is definitely the number one concern for us. Frankly speaking, they have actually quite a good product, and they're very aggressively priced.Coatings distributor · Europe
Probably Jotun is even more of a contender for International rather than Awlgrip. Okay. But in the end, if it's going on a big boat, then it's a loss for us too.Coatings distributor · Europe
Of the list that I'm … following up with the competition right now, there are 10 boats. Seven of them are Jotun. … that's a really substantial percentage there. And there's one Boero. … just one boat. And then there are two boats that are a mixed system of Alexseal.Coatings distributor · Europe
Alexseal has not been doing very well in Turkey, but they just appointed a second distributor. I think they're trying to rectify the situation. … we're watching it closely and obviously, doing everything as best as we can to not to lose anything to them.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm a little bit more comfortable in losing to Jotun because I know I lost it to price (cost, not a brand name) and there's really not much I can do there. … If the yard is going for the price, hey, so much we can do.Coatings distributor · Europe
It can be specked. The boat can be specked from the beginning with Jotun. … I have seen cases where like the boat owner already was a ship owner too, and he had so much business with Jotun and he said, I want Jotun on my boat too. It's a very simple explanation, and there's really not much you can do there.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm not sure Akzo doing anything wrong. People like Jotun and Alexseal are, locally, specifically, doing better. And obviously once they get three or four projects, to get your foot in the door is difficult because everybody goes, what's your history? What's your experience? … This market is really conservative. But as soon as obviously you get a track record. There's no hurdle to change, as I say. … You try and get in the market, you've got ******* no chance. It'll take you 10 years to get in.Coatings consultant
There's nothing that's jumping to mind. … As far as the way that I typically see it. It's Interlux and all the brands or AkzoNobel and all the brands they have and that seems to be the whole picture to me. I know every since time something pops up and I hear about it, read about it. I can't even say that I get requests for some of these other.Chandlery & retail · North America
Pettit, they're a well-run company. They've done a great job in the last five years in particular of getting their house in order, which it needed, and they've done that successfully. They have a phenomenal sales team. I mean, phenomenal sales team. And I would say in our geography, they probably have a leg up on the sales team side.Coatings distributor · North America
What is Pettit doing? I think is a better way to, let's change the question if I can, right? So what's Pettit doing that Interlux isn't doing?Chandlery & retail · North America
if you're fluent in topside coatings. So recently, they switched from what's called Brightside, which is a topside paint, to a new style topside paint called Toplac Plus. There was a bunch of grumbling that there was some chemical in the old paint that the government said they couldn't use anymore. Fair enough. There's no arguing with the government here in America. All right. But when they transitioned from one color line to another color line, they didn't bring the colors over. They created all new colors. That's great. Nobody's boat is that color. What are you doing? This is the paint that they've used for years to touch their boat up. Now they can't get it.Chandlery & retail · North America
And that is like, so Pettit's looking, and I could be wrong, I usually am, but I'm all right with it. Pettit's like filling that, filling the holes where Interlux is leaving them. So if they close their own gaps, if they filled their own holes, then they would keep that existing customer base. and they wouldn't have to transition to the competition. And it's not that they want to buy Pettit paint. It has nothing to do with the label on the can. It has everything to do in this scenario with the color in the can.Chandlery & retail · North America
Alexseal. Have good products, reliable, and, for instance, for all the, you know, like, you know, the Vendee Globe … so when you do around the world. The all the boats are painted, well, major part I painted with some Alexseal, because it's a specific products with a good ratio of weight.Coatings distributor · Europe
This is the main brand we have in the on the yachting range. Previously we had a Stoppani also, but it's not so it's not so comparable to Boero.Coatings distributor · Europe
In France also, we have some local and local manufacturer. So they are also gaining a lot of market share because they are this French argument, I would say, that they are manufactured and produced in France.Coatings distributor · Europe
for the key brands like AXO Akzo, Boero, and Hempel, I think the market is quite tough because this is the challenger, but also the customer are using this brand to push their own brands. And this new way to sell, it has been increasing since maybe 5, yes, five years. Just around the COVID or just before the COVID.Coatings distributor · Europe
The shipyard was pressing very hard in the beginning, the original shipyard, the builder, to use Alexseal because they were very concerned that there may be a weird interaction between the old Alexseal and the new product.Private yacht owner
Well, there is Boero, there is Jotun, there is Axalta (formerly DuPont marine/refinish coatings), well, like Axalta (formerly DuPont marine/refinish coatings). There is more brands, of course, but for me, the competitor is only is both of them. Because the other, Jotun or Boero, is also, they do something different. They are focused on also different things.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
In the past year, we used... At some point, Epifanes, because we have, we also work for... the marine, the German Marine (German Navy), and they have ships which are already coated with Epifanes in the wooden parts or something like that. And they want to have in these parts of the boat the same coatings again. … But at the hull, they also have, yeah, I think it's Perfection Pro. And if we coat these, we coat with International.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Pettit. Yep.Refit yard / applicator · North America
People prefer Alexseal, but it's also harder to supply and especially supply timely. A good chunk of my customers aren't the best planners. And you know, they need anything on the East Coast supplied from the East Coast is an issue because it's an extra 10 days and freight cost.Chandlery & retail · North America
Within the Interlux, for antifouling, short of Trilux 33 for aluminium boats, I can't sell competitively the antifouling because of their pricing and distribution.Chandlery & retail · North America
Even with Pettit, just the way they distribute through other vendors and somebody has a middle man steps on it before I get it. It's hard for me to remain competitive with both Pettit and Interlux products, whereas Sea Hawk has made me very competitive in the market.Chandlery & retail · North America
No, I... So, my opinion on antifouling is, they, if you spend at least $200.00, they tend to work. There are, ablatives want to be moved. People are always looking, boat owners don't always use their boats, but they want something to protect them. And the ablatives really need to be moved in the water to utilise their design.Chandlery & retail · North America
I know what is running on the market. The competitors don't wait and they have also, like Hempel, they have a lot of new products. They try to battle against us.Coatings distributor · Europe
The Italians in the Italian part of Switzerland in Ticino, … they are coming a little bit like that. But Italians like Awlgrip. I know that. So the Italian paint producers are not a great competitor.Coatings distributor · Europe
Our competitor is the car industry, the car paint, which is different, but less expensive. And every car painter thinks he can paint also a boat. It's his colour, no problem. But 2 years later, we have the first images because it's not waterproofed. … The car paint never takes the pain from us; it's too difficult.Coatings distributor · Europe
Seahawk has got to be #1. That's definitely the most sought out brand. After that maybe Pettit. Is another big one and maybe after that one Interlux could be another one. I've heard about Hempel or Hempel or something like that, yeah. And that's one usually more for commercial and sailboats, kind of a lot of sailboats and a lot of people that come from Europe are looking for that brand.Coatings distributor · Central America
How do the brands perform on technical advice and support - and how does AkzoNobel compare with competitors?69
I mean, they're both very good and both very strong. So we get one specialized in one category and one specializes in the other category. So, and they're both available to us. They travel, one of them's US based and one of them's Canadian based and they travel up here whenever, whenever needed. … we pretty much can ask for him anytime and he comes and helps us out with a project if it's a major project or a project that is worth it. In most cases, that's almost always.Coatings distributor · North America
Brad comes in here every couple weeks. Every, I'd say Brad's here every week and then he's out visiting dealers on a regular basis as well, which is beneficial to us. It's like, it's almost like an extension of our sales team.Coatings distributor · North America
I do get concerned about when they retire or who we go to. I don't feel like there's a lot of depth and relationship we have with the vendor. We've been dealing with them for many years. And we know our sales reps boss, we've met him a couple times, but you know, we're a highly relationship driven company. … when we need something done, we need to go to a person that can help us out and get things done. And we have that well covered right now, but I do get worried a little bit about what happens down the road.Coatings distributor · North America
Our Canadian based rep, over 30 years or close to 30 years. He's been our rep and the American based one for Awlgrip quite a long time, well over 10 … And I think he's been in the industry a long time as well.Coatings distributor · North America
We just plan well. … if we ever needed anything from our two reps, they get on it. They jump on it. Like it's never a fight or, you know, they just, they deal with things quickly. They take care of the customer. They take care of us. … as a distributor, … that's the biggest thing. When we run into any sort of problems or need help or need them to go talk to a customer or go through a job with somebody, they're just, they're all over it and it helps us a lot.Coatings distributor · North America
Still a lot to do. … There is a justification of course because other distributors, other producer, they get advantage of a smaller distribution area that can be covered with more technical surveyors, but anyway. If I consider AkzoNobel a high brand of innovation, high brand of communication, high brand of environmental attention and. I would expect also very, very good and very thorough technical assistance that instead is sometimes lacking.Superyacht builder · Europe
Availability for sure, frequency of visits. And I thought in the beginning of our relationship there was, I think also a lack of consistency of the reports issued, but the guys involved, they immediately fixed this … right after my remark, my feedback. But yeah, there is a mismatch. Let's say there is a mismatch in the perception between all the values of the brand and the technical assistance.Superyacht builder · Europe
It's a matter of presence in the shipyard. Most of all. So if I call AkzoNobel's competitor, technical surveyor, if I call them now. They will be at the shipyard in two hours or tomorrow morning. And they would have seen what I have to ask them at least one week ago, maximum one week ago. So they cover very with very frequent inspections, they issue reports. They are available. … Not permanently, but almost permanent. If I need to go and visit a boat abroad, if I have to take a flight and stay one week, but I need them, they will come with me.Superyacht builder · Europe
Not to do that. I would not … do that. I know that they have less people and they are justified because they have to cover all the world. So they need to hire thousands of people if they want to guarantee.Superyacht builder · Europe
The risk is … We had a boat that the customer had to choose a metallic colour. The strong stone grey metallic. Awlgrip give us the paint. Awlcraft SE stone grey metallic and our contractor when try to spray the hull a huge surface. Don't succeed in doing the boat. There are cloud effect of the metallic. It was a mess. So it resprayed the boat another time. With the same result, then we asked to the technician of AkzoNobel to come, they. Had done some proof, and at the end they changed the formula with the mica. … instead of the flake, the metallic flake. And there is spray for the third time the boat. The result was acceptable. About clouding, but is not a colour choose for our owners. And he said, I don't choose that color. I had another things in my hand. So, for us, was timing, cost, and satisfaction for our client. This is our risk.Superyacht builder · Europe
For us, is important, the service and the rapidity …. When we ask if we have a client that have to choose the colour for a boat, is a moment, an emotional moment for him. So we can wait a month, a month and a half to give to him some sample. I need something faster because I have to catch that moment.Superyacht builder · Europe
Then again, if I give to him something a sample, then I need to be able to replicate it on the boat. … At the same time, I asked the paint manufacturer to give me something that is certificated that this is the best … way with low risk when you spray a 50 metre hull. This could be a sort of paper and say good for this, good for this. Not recommended for huge surface. This is good only for stripes because maybe there are some colour that is difficult.Superyacht builder · Europe
They have slightly more representatives, but I think there are people at Alexseal that know a lot about the paint that are from the industry. … that's what Alexseal, yeah, that's one of their benefits that they have a lot of people that have so much knowledge about the projects and things and the preparation and everything. And if a problem occurs, they know out of experience what might be going on.Coatings distributor · Europe
No, but the technical manager of AkzoNobel is now working for us. So it's a bit our own fault as well that he's now working for us. … he knows a lot of things. So if he doesn't have the answer and we ask AkzoNobel, then they don't have an answer either.Coatings distributor · Europe
Now we needed a color. Someone had a Ferrari car and there needed to be a color developed that wasn't in our recipe system. And then three weeks in advance, we ask for the recipe. and we don't get a response. They say, okay, we take, we can take a look at it, but then it's regarding 40 gallons of product that we can sell, but because we don't have the answer on what color we need, the projects, like it takes too long.Coatings distributor · Europe
When my reps from Pettit show up, they are their own company and they represent 20 or 30 different product lines. I just feel like it's a less direct path to the people that can answer the questions that I need or if there's a paint failure. They have the ability to get it done, but, you know, I call these guys, these guys call the company, the company approves it, tells them, they call me. I call Steve and Steve handles the problem. It's just one less, you know, one less person in the middle, I guess.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Steve shows up in a shirt that says AkzoNobel. The other guys show up, you know, they sell us shaft seals, they sell us lights, they sell us water pumps, they sell us all kinds of different things that they are the vendors for. … I feel like we're dealing more with the paint manufacturer. … we are dealing with the paint manufacturer when Steve shows up and we are not when our reps for Pettit show up.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Steve doesn't have a lot of answers to a lot of the very technical stuff that we have, but he knows exactly who to call. And a lot of the questions he does know exactly what. The guys from Pettit also know who to call, but since they're like an outsider, like a local distributor, it seems to take them a long time to get a hold of. … If I call Steve and say, hey, how many, you know, how many ounces and gallons of this do I need to match Colorkote (Sea Hawk)? He will either know, which would be rare on a specific color, but he knows exactly who to call and since he's part of the same company it tends to be, you know, more like hours instead of days where I get a call back.Refit yard / applicator · North America
There's a more direct line of communication on the back end, which leads to the support issue that I was talking about originally between my sales rep, who's on the ground here, and the whole entire company versus the guys that represent Pettit. There's a disconnect there that is not in manageable, but it tends to delay the process.Refit yard / applicator · North America
AkzoNobel technical advice is the worst in the market.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
You don't ask for international advice. You normally have problems with the top coat which comes to Awlgrip. I've never ever had a question or a problem with an international product. Very interesting.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I'll give you an example. When I'm called up and I'm having a problem and I'm sitting here in Barcelona and I'm calling Alexseal, it takes me hours to have a technical advisor next to me. … It takes me a week to get somebody from AkzoNobel on the phone.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Here, especially in Barcelona, in Barcelona, we have a non-existing technical advice. I have a good friend of mine in Palma de Mallorca, who I have to call from the biggest city, from the much larger shipyard, to get an advice, because I can't have that here in Barcelona. You have to imagine that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think our service to the yards is really top-notch. We have people dedicated that only does that and then in and out of the yards every day. So we have actually quite a good … relationship, we follow the projects. We collaborate with the IP team again in that, because whenever, if it's a mixed system somewhere, then we're going to share information immediately. If we see something not being done right, whether it's an IP product or an Awlgrip product, we will share information immediately and then stop … the project, we will … tell to the yard, hey, this is where you guys stop, otherwise we're going to have a liability issue.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are better focused than Jotun in that department. … Jotun has, obviously, has a much higher percentage of retail business as well. … if you compare to us, and I think that's a little bit to our advantage, because they have to focus a good amount of their workforce into actually into the retail side of the businesses … Whereas with Awlgrip, we are always project focused.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm pretty sure if I talked to whoever was reasonably high up in Akzo they would probably have no idea what was going on about. … They don't have the technical knowledge … They're obviously in that position … with a slightly different role … They're more managing the financial side and the strategic stuff on it, whereas obviously Alexseal and Jotun. Maybe they put more attention in here at that level.Coatings consultant
well my technical support I is typically a call to my sales rep who is very well educated. So I get kind of instant … answers. … Pettit, it's been a long time since I've had to call on them. … I wouldn't say that their sales rep is … He wouldn't be the guy I would call put it that way. I would probably call them directly.Chandlery & retail · North America
I would say more. I mean, we work with them very well, just like I work with Akzo very well. Pettit's sales team does not stop working ever. And I'm not insinuating that Akzo's (AkzoNobel's) does. They're youthful at the moment and they're hungry and they're pounding the streets heavily. So they definitely are making some things happen, that five, six years ago, not that they weren't, but they're hungrier. And again, they got a couple guys that they're workaholics and they're doing well.Coatings distributor · North America
The only reason you're talking to me right now is because Heath has done me right so many times. Ned has done me right. Brian Wilcox has done me right. Like these people have shown up when it matters on weekends. You know where I'm going? Like there's confidence in the product, but really it's nice having the confidence that the people are there to back that product up.Chandlery & retail · North America
If we have a technical problem, they come right out. I've had them do training, sales training in my store. We featured that on our Facebook this spring to try to help, you know, generate some buzz because it was a wet, cold, rainy spring here in Massachusetts and was not conducive to painting boats in general when it's cold and raining.Chandlery & retail · North America
You call them up at 6:00 on a Friday, there's a really good chance they're answering the phone. Like, where do you get that?Chandlery & retail · North America
If I had questions and stuff about a paint or a problem that I'm up against, that kind of makes no sense … you have to go to the Darima group instead of going to Pettit to try to get my answers.Chandlery & retail · North America
I know that today the main issue we have with company is the lack of support. On the field, today, the distributors, the wholesaler, as [company] Reya or unintelligible, is more involved on the recommendation advice direct to customers and with less Support of AkzoNobel.Coatings distributor · Europe
when I discussed with the former managing director, but also with the sales guys on the field, which who is in the company since long, long, long time ago at the long time. Then they are now telling me that the AkzoNobel representative on the field are not enough because and and this is a pity because to convince the customer. We need also to have, like, OK, the distributor on the sales team of [company] Reya could do the job, but we also need to have a … More people, more technical people, to support and to promote the brand.Coatings distributor · Europe
Oh, I... It's crazy, I mean, crazy. He's way more responsive than anyone else in the industry. You know, like, and he's busy and I get it, and sometimes it takes a day or whatever, but when there's a real question that's time sensitive, he's responding quickly. And he's, you know, he's visiting the boat when he's down in Ensenada for other projects, all on his own. Like he's showing up when we don't even know.Private yacht owner
The boat has not been slowed down because they were waiting for him. Like, I mean, he's, you know, and Ensenada is a pain in the ***. Like, you got to go, you know, getting through the border sucks. … Like, it sucks. So, like, he's amazing. And unbelievably responsive.Private yacht owner
I'd say it was the first time they had used that paint and they had an issue on one side of the boat where they think Alex can give you better details. … we heard from the shipyard … they think the side that was in the sun maybe dried too fast. And it had almost unnoticeable imperfections in it. The kind of thing that you had to see in the exact perfect light to notice them. So my dad didn't notice them. I never saw them, but Alex and the shipyard owner did, so they repainted it.Private yacht owner
I did have a paint expert, if you will, come in, David Revay. … Alex is 10 times better. Like when Alex starts talking, like, I don't know why this guy shows up anymore if Alex is going to be there. It's a waste of money. Alex is so much better at going through it. And even with Alex working for the company and being biased, you know, naturally biased. He still is 10 times better.Private yacht owner
Not from other paint companies, because I've only dealt with him both at Alexseal and at Awlgrip. What I would say is like, in terms of anyone else in the yachting industry. Like, no one else is responsive. It's the worst. And they don't call you back, they don't return your emails. Like, it takes a long time.Private yacht owner
I think Alex, again, Alex is - once I heard that I was nervous. Okay, now, again, you go to Delta, no problem. Those guys can't do a bad job. Their reputation is, you know, they charge a premium to put Delta's name on anything they do. So it comes out perfect, but you pay for it. And Alex and David Revay, and the Gran Peninsula Shipyard in Mexico, all of them said. These guys from Florida are exceptional. They can't do a bad job. You should trust them. And then that was it.Private yacht owner
Alex and the shipyard owner did notice the imperfections, so they repainted it. Boat looks amazing now. … Alex's input and guidance. In review of the work has been super critical in terms of us feeling comfortable with what they're doing and that they're doing it right. And I think in terms of getting the quality that we're getting.Private yacht owner
I don't know that he does that on every boat as intensively as he's done it on mine. But I'm super thankful that he was available for mine. It was so worth it for everyone's peace of mind.Private yacht owner
It's one of the things I mentioned in a previous of the questions was the the accessibility that you have to Awlgrip international. My case, we, for example, do most of our projects in Mallorca and Catalonia. And we have a technical all day with us. I promise to you, because as there are lots of boats there, you have a technical that you can call and in half an hour is there. And we don't have this. If you want direct differences, this is 1. And Alexseal, we don't have that, for example.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think one of the... biggest point is that... With other companies, we have our dealer and they are also the technical support, but they're not that common with only that product and can not say that detailed what technical parts are important or what you have to do if you want to become the best out of it.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
With AkzoNobel, we have... our dealers, where we can order the products, and then we have the brand itself, where we can support our technical parts, and they come and make workshops, but it's beside of... the order.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The sales journey or the journey of such a project is that the client is asking us to coat a boat, and then I go to or we go to AkzoNobel. And order, I don't know, specification for the boat. We send pictures to them and say what we want to do. And then we have a quick call with the guys from AkzoNobel, which products are the best for exactly that boat, how much we need from... which product? What's the best way to make the best possible result for exactly that boat. And then we go with these specs to our supplier and order what we decided together with AkzoNobel.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
AkzoNobel compared to other brands? Much better.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
In the bigger projects, AkzoNobel come to the yard two times a project.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We've had no technical background on the AkzoNobel or on the Pettit side. No Pettit. We Pettit. We actually have the most and basically the only support, right? That's the only one. AkzoNobel support. It was and it's AkzoNobel support gave us the the stuff in the very beginning. He's there. He can give it at any point. It's just that we are our traditional, like I said, our go to is being.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We've got a good painter on site. He's actually gone across to Connecticut several times to assist in the application and give feedback. Glen himself on this side is a phenomenal resource to us. We can call him at any point, anytime and he's outstanding.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Our rep, Alex, Alex Sanders is, he's amazing. I mean, he's known my dad for 20 years or something. So he's really good. We call - I call him from [company], like, you know, anytime we have any questions, he's really on top of it. Super helpful. It's nice because he used to spray. So he's like, it gives you some real good advice. A lot of paint companies, you got a technical rep who like might know the TDS, but it's like, that's one thing. I can also read the TDS, but it's like, hey, in your experience in this situation, what do you do?Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I wish AkzoNobel and Awlgrip were a bit more married or worked better with each other. We actually had a AkzoNobel technical rep by the other day and we were like, it'd be sweet if our AkzoNobel mixing bank could also mix Awlgrip. So like the computer and the scale and everything could be all one and we could keep track of our Awlgrip consumption on our computer and use our fancy scale to mix.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
A lot of boat yards are mixing paint in like a five gallon bucket on the ground. Like, it's just, you know, boat yards are pretty crude places in general, compared to like a body shop that's got a mixing room and a computer. And I think, you know, AkzoNobel would be pushing more of their like their BT (AkzoNobel automotive single-stage line) line, I think, which is like their single stage truck line, which I think is comparable to Awlgrip, but I don't know. We like the marine and aerospace side of Awlgrip, and it'd be nice if we had a little bit more.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
He's, yeah, out of all the reps, I mean, we build a lot of parts, so we do everything from, we do all our carbon work and paint, wiring, plumbing, you name it. So we have a lot of reps. I'd say he's one of the best. Super available. Yeah, you know, available via phone, text, e-mail. He knows, like I said, as him being a painter, like, generally people don't ask technical questions like when they don't have, you know, an urgent need an urgent answer or like have a problem, you know, so it's like he's pretty good at being like right on top of it in order so we can keep moving forward.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Our AkzoNobel rep just moved on to a different company. His name was Rich. He was awesome. He was really, really technical. Also a really good painter. We went down and learned how to spray water base with him at a training facility, super sharp guy, but I'd say him and Alex were highest level.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
AkzoNobel and Awlgrip have been really helpful. Even like we deal with Thorsten at AkzoNobel, who's a technical rep. He's really, really sharp. Yeah, I'd say the whole organisation seems to be, you know, a bunch of people who used to paint, which I think is really important. I think if you're a paint rep and haven't painted, it's like... You might be able to learn how to talk the talk, but you are never going to be able to walk the walk, especially when you're spraying with the marine line.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
It's higher technical skill actually applicating, not just like, oh, here's a mix ratios and make sure it's this temperature. It's like you got to have some strategy behind how you apply the product for it to work properly and have a successful paint job. And guys like Alex who have been there, done that is, nice person to have on your side, basically, to bounce ideas off of.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I feel like I probably know the most about both, which is like, you know, in terms of the, oh, is Colour Build (AkzoNobel/Sikkens product) the same as Quick Build (Awlgrip product)? And like, they're like, well, I don't know. Like, I've never seen them side by side. And I'm like, well, I think they're the same. Or is that water-based, you know, panel cleaner the same? And it's like people are like, I mean, I assume so. And I'm like, well, I assume so too, but I don't actually know.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
with the AkzoNobel products, I mean, as mentioned with the Awlgrip with the booklets, I mean, the information available is generally very, very good and informative, so that we can, you know, answer the questions to the customer.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I would say, yeah, as mentioned, with AkzoNobel, we have good access to information. Seahawk is probably a little weaker. Pettit actually does quite a good job, not necessarily on older paints, but they do provide good information as well. Based on testing that they've done.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
So we've had Pettit twice come in here and put test strips in the water, hanging them in the marina, which actually was quite interesting to see because we were then asked to pull up the samples hanging in the water once a month, take pictures, and then put them back and just keep the progress going to see what was happening. And based on that, we did a bit of our own test with a few different paints, because they only did Pettit. So we then took the Micron (International antifouling product line), we took the different products and tested it as well.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
As far as tech, I think they all have technical advice. Part of the problem is just accessing that information. There's been points where the AkzoNobel site hasn't worked and it was ongoing for six, 8, 10 months where you just couldn't get PDFs. You know, it would direct you to a PDF and you couldn't download it. So that information wasn't there. The safety data sheets that we have to keep on file.Chandlery & retail · North America
I don't see a huge difference between the different brands. I think the information's out there if I need to go seek it. AkzoNobel has a really slick website, but then it didn't work for quite a long time, so that was kind of frustrating.Chandlery & retail · North America
AkzoNobel has two reps in the Northwest that are great, Dave and Tony. They're very accessible. They come to the store. They work with clients. Having that is, they definitely have more support than any other brand. … They're on site, you know, maybe once a month at the minimum. So, and that's great. And they cover a wide territory.Chandlery & retail · North America
The technical people who gave me all this knowledge from Germany, the technical team from Germany, they made a lot of schooling and we make a lot of phone and question also, gives the answers. They are, again, much better than me. And I learn every phone call with them about small things to help the clients. So all this knowledge I have in my head or on papers.Coatings distributor · Europe
Today the sales manager from Germany, the new one. He's a very good application person and the technical team member in south of Germany, he's visiting me sometimes. We go together to the clients if necessary. And he's also a very good person, friend person. … If one of them don't know, there are, again, two, three different other agents from that team, and somebody has the answer, I'm sure.Coatings distributor · Europe
Since we don't have a lot of Interlux inquiries, we don't play with it too much or we don't ask for Technical Support too much. But as far as Technical Support for the other two, it's perfect. It's great.Coatings distributor · Central America
Seahawk has always been known to be, well, now, now that AkzoNobel bought it, it went to the corporate world. But they still have that essence of you can talk to them directly and have that communicate open communication where they help you quickly enough and I have two points of contact one is Dennis as far as Seahawk and I shoot him a text to WhatsApp and quickly I get an answer back.Coatings distributor · Central America
What's his face, Dennis. Obviously when they went to AkzoNobel, he obviously had to learn more about Interlux and he's also been able to answer questions quickly. We just don't have that many on that one, but he does as well.Coatings distributor · Central America
Do the brands provide adequate training for applicators, and how does it compare?26
Mostly from AkzoNobel, we do have a team that's gone down and done Awlgrip training where they actually use the sprayers and have had some hands-on experience. But then the other side of it is the training with the two, there's a specific Awlgrip rep and a specific international paint rep that travels with our team regularly. So it's just by absorption. Listening, listening to them speak and being on the ground with them, visiting customers and learning, learning from them primarily.Coatings distributor · North America
I don't have experience because it's something that involves applicators. Not up to the shipyards.Superyacht builder · Europe
We had something, though. We had something, but not connected with all the process. Only just for that time. I understand that the paint maker said that I produced painting or film, but I think this could be a limits. The process (la filiera), the process need to go a step more and try to... To do this.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think it's really nice that they provide the training, especially for bigger yards that want to train new staff … but training on the spot or just showing up and see, oh, how do you like the product? Is everything working well? I think that needs to happen more often.Coatings distributor · Europe
If they want to look into sustainability and they can make a general presentation about that. I know other brands, they present their brands to the, yeah, to higher-up people from the yacht building industry that are not applying, not applicators, but just directors. They don't know a lot about paint, but they find the sustainability aspect and the history of the company … interesting and important. So yeah, I see other brands doing that as well, but I'm not sure if AkzoNobel does that really often, but I would advise them to do it as well.Coatings distributor · Europe
The only brand that actively pushes for getting applicators trained is Awlgrip. Now, to be fair... There is a lot more technical expertise needed in, you know, spraying LP. … A lot more technical expertise that goes into spraying an LP product than there is in rolling on a bottom paint, right? If not more expertise, there's without a doubt substantially higher room for error in painting a bottom than there is in spraying the top side.Refit yard / applicator · North America
To reapply top coat potentially means sanding all the way back down. If there's, I mean, who knows if you get runs in there, you're talking about all kinds of prep work, and then you're talking about hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of product plus days of application time. … It's definitely different, so I understand why they would focus their training on the sprayed product.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We do spray bottom paint kind of a lot as well. And we don't really have any, we have not really had a large amount of support for that. Now, if the time ever has … if the time comes where I need that expertise, I know right where to get it. And it's readily available and the guys are always very, you know, all of my reps live pretty locally. They could be here pretty quick.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Our Awlgrip rep is not that local and he's very busy. But he's hyper responsive. He'll take a phone call anytime. And, you know, if we need something, he will show up. But generally he can answer, you know, and he was a painter himself for a long time. He can answer questions, very technical questions over the phone.Refit yard / applicator · North America
He's coming down on Friday of this week, actually, to go over some of the technique in the new, newish HDT line, which is, we've got a big job. We've got three boats, but one now going with top coat in the HDT line with a custom colour for the city of Newport Beach. And so he wants to come down and just make sure that, you know, everything's going properly and that there's no issues. Supposedly, the data that's put out by Awlgrip on how to apply that product is not very good.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Alex has said that there's some nuance to how you mix it, spray it, you know, actually applying it's the same, but he wants to, … he's done a very good job of setting us up this time with proof that the product is very good. He's told us he's pretty sure he knows. He said, look, if you just read the directions on how to mix this product, it's a little vague, it's a little unclear. Let me come down, I'll show you how to do it, and I guarantee you guys will be blown away by the product. So even where on a large corporate scale, the written directions or what is put out on paper where that may fall short, they have the people in place to make sure that we are happy with whatever product we're using. And so again, goes back to the people that they have in place to make sure these products work the way they're supposed to work is unrivalled in our industry.Refit yard / applicator · North America
They try. … But it's normally a... Yeah, for what I'm saying, that is not in our Latin. They do. Yes, they do. And actually, they do a lot, and especially with paint application companies. … The last presentation was a show and tell about their products. So it's a marketing … concept, but I know they're doing a lot of workshops. I know there are people going around the world and doing workshops with the application companies. Let me rephrase that. There are friends of mine, like Garrett (uncertain - possibly Gerrit/Gareth; senior Awlgrip/AkzoNobel contact), which are very high up in Awlgrip. … They're fantastic people, but when it comes to the on-floor. … You know, standing by, there is a lack.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
They have fantastic, fantastic people around. Yeah, don't get the impression that there's no technical advice whatsoever. But there is, you know, it comes, it depends on which hierarchy you're talking about. The on the floor, which means on board, we have a problem. Can we have somebody here who's overseeing the mixing process, for example? It is non-existent. But when you talk to the guys up at the hierarchy, like Garrett and friends, … There is a technical knowledge with exception. But you cannot expect to have the director of technical management and to come to a 40 meter vessel and check the paint mixture. You know, I don't expect that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Colorkote (Sea Hawk) is one of their flagships. … It's their top triple-biocide paint. And he came here, did a full presentation on mixing the colors so we can color match hulls. He bought and painted boats with our staff to make sure that they were applying it correctly.Chandlery & retail · North America
Ned's come in. We have an annual open house every year. … This year they sent Cam. He's a newer rep. He's maybe been there a year and a half, maybe two years. I haven't done a ton of work with him yet, but they always put someone here at my event, which is huge, you know, because not every vendor will do that for you.Chandlery & retail · North America
I like the Interlux brand. I could probably use more training in their performance top side coatings, but it's really so far out of our, we don't paint boats here. We do basic gel coat repair, basic repairs. … as far as painting one whole side of a boat or painting a whole boat, we're sending that down the road to other people that specialize in that type of work.Chandlery & retail · North America
The training, yes, training is important because the as. Maybe it's in all the industries, but here, for example, the technicals of the applicators always have discrepancies with the technical of the laboratory. You know, yeah, they are always like, you know, on opposite opinions, but but is very good in this case with Awlgrip, because I could tell you that we have maybe 2 trainings per year or more, okay, with technical from their side and a lot of workers from us, but we also have a lot of testing with them, okay?Refit yard / applicator · Europe
There is certain product that they want to do test and they contact with us. and because we have a workshop, a big facility in Palma, and they come with us, they do a lot of testing, like for example, one of the good things of the product is that they provided the SE plus HDT system, which is a basically clear coat, which is self-polishable, you can polish. And this is one of our biggest discrepancies, okay, because we as applicators at certain areas or repairs or things … when we have contact with them, of course, everybody has their position, but we've been together in the workshop doing the testing and having their support. So this is direct the support, at least for us.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The other companies do something similar, yes, but in terms of training, formation, and accessibility to the technician, I think Awlgrip, at least in Mallorca, okay, it is still on top.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We've never asked. Yeah, we've never really asked because we've had the guys have done it for so long. We've never asked. The Pettit Rep said that if we were interested, he would come out and do something, you know, but it's, you know, we. We have guys that know how to paint and they teach the other guys how to paint. And it's kind of, you know, there are certain things, you know, but it's not as sensitive as as most other, you know, stuff on the hull painting. Yes, we've had two or three different guys come through and teach.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I haven't done any like official AkzoNobel training at AkzoNobel headquarters or Awlgrip. Our old AkzoNobel rep was a teacher at a Contra Costa Community College, so he had access to a booth and we went down there and trained with him. I think we'd like to end up going down to a AkzoNobel facility and doing some training. I know Thorsten from AkzoNobel has offered that. But I think it's, yeah, we're definitely interested. Haven't done much of it besides that training with our old rep.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
With AkzoNobel, we have good information that we can retrieve from the sites and everything else, but we don't see much of the people, we don't get much training-wise. The training is more something where you get certain salespeople, they get kind of hung on a particular paint, and that's just kind of what they recommend because that's what they know. They're difficult to be encouraged to go do the research on the site because they've got to positive feedback from a customer, and then they go, "Okay, I don't recommend it," so a little bit more training at times or interaction. This could be a Zoom thing, this could be whatever.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Seahawk actually was and is very aggressive, or was very aggressive in that for sure, where they had their salespeople come out regularly. It helped in the sense that we could ask questions. And it helped in a sense that we could be brought up to speed on what changes there were, what new product, or so that was good.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Sea Hawk has allowed me to purchase directly and cut out the middleman and provide the product and support.Chandlery & retail · North America
Tony came from Sea Hawk, but has been absorbed by AkzoNobel. But he had, this industry is very... Many of the people in the industry have worked for the other companies in the industry as well. This is a lot of depth and changeover between the different companies in the field reps. So, but yeah, Tony, it's great and fully versed now in the full product line.Chandlery & retail · North America
For Awlgrip, we've had pretty much for like the last three years, we've had a yearly seminar where they come to Costa Rica and help us out with painters and all that stuff. … I have Will Miranda, Will Miranda, which is one of the guys that comes down to do the training. Also on WhatsApp and he's also super quick to answer and when we have any doubts. So as far as technical, definitely Awlgrip is a higher demand on Technical Support, but for now these two guys are doing a fantastic job. I have no issues with getting Technical Support.Coatings distributor · Central America
How do the brands perform on product availability and responsiveness?32
It's pretty good. It's pretty good, actually. I'd say Interlux is better than Awlgrip. In that, now, again, we are a distributor, so we take into account lead times where we never run, you know, we don't run out of stock. We are always looking at demand and planning ahead. So it's not as critical for us. It's more critical for us that we have the stock for our dealers. … for the Awlgrip one, we do run into issues with supply with them on occasion. And we have had to short buy on occasion from competitors in order to keep a job going.Coatings distributor · North America
Delays from Akzo have cost us projects. Several. Yeah, but not from technical aspect, but more of a product aspect that the product isn't there or that there's something wrong with the products.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's most of them filler. We need to forecast filler beforehand, and sometimes … we are not able to forecast it because it's a project that was supposed to go in Alexseal, for example, but then the owner decides he wants Awlgrip instead. And then everything needs to be changed, but then we don't have the filler for the boat so the project can start. … We couldn't forecast it and we have to forecast, but sometimes you have projects that they're out of the blue, which is nice, but then you're not able to supply them because the product isn't there since it's not forecasted. And … the amounts are so big that we don't have enough room to stock for one extra project just in case. … that's too expensive.Coatings distributor · Europe
We have a local distributor, they're a regional distributor. They deliver what we order same day. West Marine has a big store that used to be a hub 2 minutes, literally 2 minutes from us. They send a van to us a couple of times a day if we need it. And then our other big distributor, their warehouse is about 5 hours north of us. So it's next day delivery. And we keep a fairly high level of inventory on just daily consumable products, which would be bottom paints and primers and stuff.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Again, and I've never ever requested technical advice for international. … Same thing, you know, international is something on its own, you know. … Never a problem with the international.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
This is probably one area that … we would like to see a better AkzoNobel. The lead times. … our lead times compared to our competitors is worse. … That's probably … the number one obstacle.Coatings distributor · Europe
to overcome that, you need to stock more, okay? But then to stock more in a hyper-inflating country like Turkey is prohibitive. We can bankrupt our company very easily.Coatings distributor · Europe
some more creative ways of financing the inventory … could be something to overcome part of that problem. Right now, we're not very flexible, so it's cash almost or nearly cash. … we understand because the AkzoNobel Company in Turkey is also operating in the high inflation … environment. So we can understand that. But perhaps because the product is sold in EUR, perhaps some more creative ways of financing in EUR, the whole thing can allow us to inventory more. So that we can buffer better for the possible delays.Coatings distributor · Europe
some, for example, some discounts for bulk orders.Coatings distributor · Europe
not really. No I'd say that it's where well I guess it might be. It might be attributed to the way we buy the Distributors offer. … All the way back in the fall. They offer early buy programs. … To try to set up their purchasing volumes. So we buy practically for the whole year and one shot back in say November. So minimal, if I couldn't even point my finger out of products and say I couldn't have gotten it at a certain point because we start the year with at least three quarters of what we're going to sell for the whole year and then by the time we're reordering the crunch is over with so we don't experience it.Chandlery & retail · North America
In the past the … Pettit had has had no rep in my territory for a number of years. … Right now, there's a guy there that's working pretty hard trying to earn business. he's kind of made it clear. He stops in the store fairly frequently despite, you know, not necessarily earning very much business.Chandlery & retail · North America
It may, it's very easy. It is a labor resource issue at times. You know, we run a pretty tight ship here where we don't have a lot of fat in terms of additional employees. So if I have to allocate a resource from either filling an order or shipping an order or loading a truck to pulling stuff off the shelf. That's nothing but a headache for my team. But it's handled well.Coatings distributor · North America
At the same time, it'd be wicked nice if they weren't short money gallons of Aqua One and we could sell, you know, 3, 400 gallon, dollar gallon Micron Navigator. Like, I just don't, I don't see their vision there, you know? I don't understand.Chandlery & retail · North America
If there's big changes, I'm telling you the guys they got here are solid. Like I get an email, I get a phone call, I get something as far as, hey man, this is what to look out for. But then like the shoe never drops. Like, hey, we're going to release a new bottom paint. And a long time goes by. … You know that we need to close that gap.Chandlery & retail · North America
the delay of shipping, for instance, are quite unreliable. So we need to store to be sure to have the product available. So we know that on some certain products, because the manufacturing is … there are some constraints on the material and so on. We know that we need to store it more, but mainly the decision is made and the rotation of retention rate of the products, uh, regarding the sales forecast.Coatings distributor · Europe
In terms of anyone else in the yachting industry. Like, no one else is responsive. It's the worst. And they don't call you back, they don't return your emails. Like, it takes a long time. … I'm trying to replace the piping on my boat. I can't get half these guys to return an e-mail. I mean, I got a big project on my boat. The plumbers don't call you back. The manufacturers don't call you back. Like I've been trying for a month. I haven't gotten a single call back.Private yacht owner
Perfect, we get nearly every product in like 5 days.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Is AkzoNobel easy to get hold of? Yeah, of course.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We haven't had a problem. Yeah, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We know we can get the paint within a day.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Phone call. More supplier you're talking about? Yep. Yeah. Which is not our Rep, which is the not directly AkzoNobel, no, but our Rep. So we can call, uh, we can call Steve, we can call over to the phone.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Yeah, you know, available via phone, text, e-mail. He knows, like I said, as him being a painter, generally people don't ask technical questions like when they don't have, you know, an urgent need an urgent answer or like have a problem, you know, so it's like he's pretty good at being like right on top of it in order so we can keep moving forward.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
from an Awlgrip perspective, for example, it is a great benefit for us to be able to mix paints. And therefore, out of any similar type of product, 90% or more is Awlgrip that we sell because of that. And the availability makes it easy because we don't have to have all the colours in stock. We can mix it, primers, clear coats, whatever. Yeah, we have easy enough access to it that we can get it. We're in a good position in Sint Maarten that we get direct shipments from the US.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
when we do have a special request for bottom paints and a particular color. Generally, it's easy enough to get from AkzoNobel. Some of the others, well, Seahawk as well, because they're in Florida. Yeah, I mean, it's a little bit more complicated, for example, for a product like Pettit, because they're further away and the shipping is much longer.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I would say I rely on the Interlux products more, because I do believe I can get better Intel, like, oh, it's not going to be produced until mid-month and then takes a week to ship from Houston so I can get accurate information. Whereas the other companies are a little more opaque.Chandlery & retail · North America
The transport company is changing to very bad. … The change from the warehouse in Holland … there was also Dutch transporters who brought, the logistic team who brought the material. They filled up the truck on Friday. The truck is moving away on Sunday night and it arrives in Switzerland Tuesday morning. It's about four days. I consent to Wednesday my order next week, latest on Wednesday, after six or seven days, it was here.Coatings distributor · Europe
This DB Schenker (now DSV) is fetching the products, bringing it to Germany. … The Dutch people, they had the paper, got the paperwork from Great Britain directly, and everything was automatically. Today, there is no paperwork. They bring material to Duisburg without papers. … So we have in the bad time 3 weeks, in the good time 2 weeks for transport from Belgium. This is awful.Coatings distributor · Europe
If I say we have autumn, we have November, or now this time from March again till May, you should prepare for the retail. … Every yacht product in spring, all the yachts are going out. … Our season here in this region is from November till May. And the yacht products like primers for underwater and antifouling or topcoat products, one component products you sell in the shops, they should have it on stock. They should remember a little bit there are different seasons.Coatings distributor · Europe
I don't see the, it doesn't come. And then, oh, there's missing something. So I have it. Why don't you ask me? … The office in England, they don't know where the transport is. Nobody gets the information. We don't know where it stops today.Coatings distributor · Europe
We're the only country in I think South America or at least Central America that has the mixing station. So that's been awesome because we can now the boat yard if they make an oopsie on the paint and they need to fix it, we can get them a court and they can fix it and it's no big problem. before we had to order a special order of the paint and it was a pain in the ****. So that changed everything.Coatings distributor · Central America
I've never had any issues with that. COVID was, was a point in time where it's not really the norm, so. after that, yeah, it was a little bit, it was a little bit hard, but we're back to normal and actually they've been a lot better as far as the prepping the order and getting it toward from Texas or from Europe to our freight forward in Florida.Coatings distributor · Central America
We get a lot of cans that get. Hit and break apart or lids that pop off and there's a little bit of leakage and that kind of stuff. So that's something that they need to work on for sure. … Awlgrip. Yeah. We've made really good big orders from Seahawk and the transportation from their factory to our freight forwarder everything, everything goes smooth, but for some reason for Awlgrip, we're always getting pictures of cans being hit or broken and then paint or certain amount of stuff gets all over the boxes.Coatings distributor · Central America
How do the products perform in service - finish quality, durability, ease of application, consistency, value for money?61
Our case, yes. I mean, we have inspected the area, but I will leave one season, you know. We also the antifouling is something that we want to judge after sometimes, you know.Superyacht builder · Europe
Now the filler we have used at the heavy one and it's more heavy to work. But it has also benefits due to that so.Superyacht builder · Europe
The applicator that we have used in this case knows very well all the international products, so he didn't pay attention. He didn't give a specific negative nor positive feedback on that for him. It's just another boat with us.Superyacht builder · Europe
If the products are comparable in the chemical recipe, they will be similar in application.Superyacht builder · Europe
We normally check all the products. So like a shipyard, I can say that all the three paint manufacturers have a good product for us. Mainly, we know the difference, but they work. All the three producers and which is depending on the shape of the boat. We have a design very complex. It's a design exterior design with a lot of edges, curved surface, so we know that we need. More filler than other kind of design.Superyacht builder · Europe
Sometimes we decide so which kind of filler user, lighter or heavy. It depends on all these things. And it's a balance between Performance, and when you see the OK with the cost.Superyacht builder · Europe
Awlgrip has a better performance on the long term, but if the boat is being finalized, you don't really see a lot of difference between Alexseal and Awlgrip. But if you look at the same boat one year later, the Awlgrip one definitely looks better.Coatings distributor · Europe
As far as what I would consider comparable, the Interlux Ultra-Kote (Interlux) and the Pettit Trinidad HD. The product itself, absent everything else, absent cost, backing, the people, the products themselves are, I would say, largely identical.Refit yard / applicator · North America
There are some minor differences in like the colors, you know, how bright the colours are, availability of colour in California. Pettit has the approval to sell us green paint and Interlux does not. Luckily for us, we probably roll two or three boats of green a year. So it doesn't really matter.Refit yard / applicator · North America
As far as like the usability of the products, they both roll about the same. You know, cost is a factor. Dry times are a little bit of a factor. … our reps with Pettit I like a lot as well. They're really good people and they'd stand behind anything. But they're kind of, they're not as involved in the company, I think, as the Akzo (AkzoNobel) guys are. And so I feel like they're, I feel like the guys from Pettit are almost more of a middleman.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The problem is if you have a hard top coat, you cannot modify it, which means you cannot polish it, you cannot blend it. … And they tried to modify that with a product called HDT. And I will never forget that I was invited to their big presentation for a consultant company. … So after 1 1/2 hours explaining that this new product is the best and we will solve all the problems. And my boss allowed me one question and I had just one question, one question only in front of 80 people. I said, how many boats over 100 meters he painted with it. There was silence in the room and then I had to leave again. And believe it or not, this product vanished, not because of my question, but it is very simple to promise and it's very simple to put something on the market. … The practice shows if it's reasonable or not.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It's very difficult to explain. Industrial coatings in our industry, in our yachting industry, Unfortunately, and this is why people like me exist, are a bit overlooked. Everybody looks at the shiny part, you know, that is it, is it look nice whatsoever. The thing is, if your tank, water tank is rusting, you know, after one year of treatment, that is the problem. If your paint is losing a bit of shininess over 3 years, … Trust me, that is not a problem.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Both brands are fantastic, both of you.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It's still the painter's favorite. You have to understand, the yachts are being painted since 30 years, which means the guys in charge of the application companies have the same age. They know the mixing process of Awlgrip G line. You wake them up at 3:00 in the morning and they mix the paint. It took me 10 years to have the same with Alexseal here.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
10 years ago, I said like, guys, you painting with Alexseal, you can't use Awlgrip. Guys, let's try something. It was the painter's favorite, you know, and now it's shifted. Again, if the product works and if the paint arrives in time, … It is maybe still the best product on the market.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
the common experience in the market that has happened in the last … 30 plus years suggests … we have been able to create projects that were really world class. … we probably have the best pedigree than any other brand in the market.Coatings distributor · Europe
the application cost of application has gone up so much … The cost of the paint has become lesser important … in the context of the overall cost of the … coatings. … And it has become very, very important how quickly and how problem-free your application is going to be.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's more in the hands of the applicator than what's in the tin. If you … give 10 painters … four different brands of paint, … and … tell them to spray all these paints on different days. I'm pretty sure the significance of the quality difference is not there. The significant, there's more variation difference between the applicator than the tin of paint.Coatings consultant
Yeah, Pettit … They've always had their top side pain, their single part, top side paint and I think it was well received and at the time Interlux had their Perfection. … Two-Part polyurethane paint, then it kind of all came in a bundle made sense, you know, it has the paint base and the converter together and then it had a reducer that you could buy separately.Chandlery & retail · North America
Pettit, I guess saw that as competition and they chose to say, oh, well, we have our Easypoxy paint, but now we have, an added component if you want it to be a harder finish. And that was perplexing to people. … I don't know if they're still doing that or not, but that was definitely, the customer wasn't sure what he needed to buy.Chandlery & retail · North America
I just had a customer came in yesterday. … I think the topside project on a 13, Boston Whaler, and he was so amazed with the ease of use of the Toplac product that he came in only to tell me that he had already bought everything he needed. He came in, just tell me that and show me the pictures. So I think it's, well, received as an easy to use. Professional type product. … This guy was on 8th, he's the Finish that this guy, he couldn't believe that he got this finish himself out of the project so it was definitely a … Good one.Chandlery & retail · North America
Yeah, I mean I would say the Seahawk Biocop has been known to be like top top top of the line. … We're seeing that same sort of response with the Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One). … I'm kind of shocked us. … How ready people were to spend the extra money on that product. But I think the marketing message was strong.Chandlery & retail · North America
Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) is kind of the tried and true, it's been around forever. West Marine really pushes the hell out of that product. Sometimes they price it a little … more aggressively than we would like to have to deal with, but the name is out there because of it.Chandlery & retail · North America
I don't know if this is nationally but the Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) product for us has become tremendous. It's kind of the, it fits our Market very well, kind of mid-range. He's the guy's not gonna feel like he's getting hurt to buy the products and he pulls the boat out. He doesn't have an issue. It's almost hard to upsell him because if the guy used it and he knew it worked out great. It's hard to get him up to a micron level product.Chandlery & retail · North America
They the … Discontinued the Brightside product and that's been a bit of a pain point for topside paints. … We did a little bit of soul searching as far as should we be bringing in the Easypoxy products and we're going to this year because they even … Reproduce some of the popular Brightside colours. … Where Toplac didn't. So that was a bit of a pain point for us.Chandlery & retail · North America
I experience far less warranty or recall stuff from Akzo products than I do maybe some others. It's a well-performing brand. They all are, but the quality control with the brands that we carry … the brands that we carry perform and the QC has been very good.Coatings distributor · North America
Which makes our life easy. You know, if I have to keep pulling stuff off the shelf because the pigments are off or stuff like that and batch numbers are wrong, then that's nothing but a labor and time crunch suck for my employees, so we don't experience that at all, which is a great thing.Coatings distributor · North America
I get people hooked on it. This product works. It works well, specifically in our waters.Chandlery & retail · North America
On painting, when you realise that you apply coatings on your boat and next year part of the coats disappear because it is the effect of the antifouling, I can understand that the final customers say, okay, I won't pay. For a place that I will need to replace next year.Coatings distributor · Europe
when you know that you will apply some international or Akzo or Hempel, the huge key brands, you know that it's available all around the world. So, at the end, when you have the key brands and you should, uh, you should keep it.Coatings distributor · Europe
The process we had to do was to sand off all of the fairing. Down to the primer on the steel. Reapply all the fairing. And now they're repainting. … They've repainted the house, which is white. They've repainted the transom. And both of those are mirror finish perfect. I haven't seen them. I've seen pictures. My captain's seen them. The shipyard's seen them. Other guys have seen Alex has seen them. Alex Sanders. And say it looks spectacular.Private yacht owner
The painters down there are a group called Renegade who have used this before. They're out of Florida. … Seems to be an amazing product, seems to look amazing. The application seems to be amazing. Like, I can't wait.Private yacht owner
Two of them said, hey, we're using this, this is better. We spray it better. But it's harder to spray than the old stuff. It's kind of what a couple of them said. It takes an expert, it takes someone that's used to it, it takes right conditions, all these types of things. If you don't do it right, it doesn't look right.Private yacht owner
I do know from being in construction. that even if a product is better, if it's new, sometimes that's a huge risk. And you always go with old and tried and true over new. And it felt like going in, I was nervous about that because this is relatively new. And some painters haven't used it.Private yacht owner
Well, clearly the starting point is Awlgrip. Right? I mean, that's the, that's what's on there. It's worked great. It's probably much easier just to stick with the same brand. You know, unless someone really leapfrogs them in terms of quality or something, something that's a huge deal.Private yacht owner
It has to be repairable. Right. I mean, I don't know, they're all kind of, they're all kind of very high. You know, if it doesn't look good, you're not going to choose it. If it's not repairable, I can't choose it. And if it's not durable, I can't choose it. So, I mean, those three are really high up the list. … Availability you can manage just by storing it or something.Private yacht owner
If it's not the best, it's the second best. OK, but the the there are, many other paints applicators or manual, well, sorry, paint manufacturers, but but they if they are in certain families or like acrylic or polyurethane or basecoat, clear coat or they are first or second always on the lines of products and if it's performing better or not, it's performing a lot better than the average.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And, but also this other competitor is also increasing, but I will say I will keep the reply as I said. Sometimes it's first, sometimes it's second. And honestly, the paint is not only the product itself, it's also the way you apply. So we also have sometimes we play in their benefit or against them, depending on how well or worse we do a paint application.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
At the end, he's seen the combination and he's not really differentiating, so I think that they, if they are not the first or the second, they are the 1st or the second, depending on how well the applicator is, does the job, because it's a mix.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It's a lot of detailing parts of the product. In one part, it's the finish, gloss, haze, and DOI, distinctness of image. It's important that the finish is very... good optic, high quality finish, but also it's long lasting. It's in when we come to wooden boats, it's UV resistance. … So it's optic, but it's always also long-lasting, scratch resistance. … Also one part, one important part for the workshop is overcoating/recoating interval.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
When we can start sanding, when we can overcoat by other, so that the work process is efficient.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
At that level that we work, it's not that big difference between the two or three components and coatings between the different brands. … So, if we work with an Alexseal finish coat, it's the... the complexity of bringing the material to the surface is the same. So, that's not that important.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It fall into categories of location, use and you know where the boat is kept. Yeah, because we need location, yeah. And there's also so many varying paints, like we use general ablatives, but some people use hard paints and there's, yeah. The market is so saturated it's obviously it's too many choices. It's like in between all the brands and it has to be 100 bottom pins. It's like you know it's like we know it works so we stick with it.Refit yard / applicator · North America
For the most part, yes, have any real issues, like big issues. Three years ago we had an issue and then they pulled the product and you remember the red bottom paint and then no, it was a red bottom paint that we used and I can't remember and they pulled it because we've ended up the pigment was different on it. And then he ended up with streaks on the boat, with the black spotted coming through.Refit yard / applicator · North America
It's hard to say. I mean, we've never really ever sat down and compared. No, I've never compared prices. No, we don't know how much it costs. No, I've compared prices, but in terms of general price to durability and you know, we haven't spent that experiment. Yeah, they're all so they're all kind of close to, you know, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I think it's durability and finish quality is top tier. I would say, I mean, this is a tricky one because we spray Awlgrip top coat. They have like all different lines. So I think if I switch lines, some of my application - I wouldn't say concerns, but it's a harder thing to apply because it's generally made to not sand and polish after. So it's really like you want a nice off the gun finish.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
In general, it's just, you know, you got to be a good painter, but it's not hard to apply. It's just not super forgiving. With the product line that we spray, but we know that going in.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
With the Awlgrip top coat, you can cut and buff it, like sand it and buff it after, but it's really not designed to. It's like, it's designed to be really off the gun and get its surface hardness. And so it just means you have to do a better job and it's less forgiving. Ultimately, no one wants to cut and buff anything you paint, but ultimately, you know, if you put a big sag in some automotive clear coat, you can actually, you know, nippon it off and bring it back to a polish. You can do that for Awlgrip too, it's just a, it's a hard product. So it makes, which is good, because it's, you know, the hardness is there.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Awlgrip specifically, I think is incredible. I don't know how many people I've recommended it to. I don't know how many boats my dad sprayed in his life, but a lot. Great finish, super good durability.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
The AkzoNobel products, especially in the bottom panes, we highly recommend simply because the consistency is pretty much the most reliable. And so if people not only buy it at [company], but they go to a different island and a different store, we know that the product are going to get there, when it's the same, it is going to be the same. That's probably a biggest strength factor that we identify with clients and mention to them.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Seahawk has... been a bit off and on at times. I mean, it's not that it's been a bad paint, but it's a bit off and on. But again, also, depending on the applicators we have found or where it has been sitting in storage too long.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
because the consistency of the AkzoNobel products is so much the same, they are usually, to get an even coat, it's much easier with most AkzoNobel products than many of the other ones. That would put Seahawk second, Pettit third on that. Just to give you a kind of an idea. But the AkzoNobel products apply easily. The thinners work well. Semi-experienced applicators, which is what we deal with in the Caribbean a lot when they apply the paints, for them, it's an easy job to apply it and get good results.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
all paints have a price associated with it, which comes directly to the quality. And a cheap paint is going to be a cheap product. It's probably more so that it's what is the right product for the customer. … you really do get what you pay for. And I think we all know this, it's a paint is, the materials used within anti-fouling paints are not cheap.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
we do ask them to give us feedback. And I personally invite them to, after they leave the islands, send us emails, whatever, with their experience. Or if they have questions, please do as well, which is how we learn a lot of things.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
With Pettit, I mean, the primarily is that it's the hard paints that we sell for them. And the other one is the Vivid White. I didn't mention that, but the Vivid White is popular because it is a very white, white paint that lasts well and cleans well.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
I have a huge market that wants the absolute cheapest paint. The fishermen believe that anything over 25% copper will affect fishing performance. They're very superstitious. And they generally haul out annually and they use a 25% copper paint that's $99 price point. And they love it.Chandlery & retail · North America
The more expensive paints do get you a little bit more longevity. But some people like to cheque their boat every two years and then paying a little bit more, we find is not really going to get them much more performance.Chandlery & retail · North America
International is all the time a good product, or there was a good product all the time I work with it.Coatings distributor · Europe
Awlgrip is a paint above water, 2 component paint. It should keep about 10 or 15 years on the boat. It's like a car. You don't like to paint it every year. … Normally today, they sell the car and they buy a new one. But in the boat market, good luck. They don't sell the boat, they paint it again. And this is the idea, Awlgrip, you paint every 10 or 15 years.Coatings distributor · Europe
Reliability of product wise, it's perfect. I we have had I can count them probably with one hand the times that we've had product that and it's more on the Awlgrip side Seahawk we've had one issue and they responded and gave us a credit note on it. It was I think it was a bad batch or something happened but nothing, no, no big problem. And then in Awlgrip we had just one product on the Awlwood which is a like a varnish kind of thing. That they went bad before their expiration date and we also got a credit note for that. But other than that we've had no issues.Coatings distributor · Central America
They're a pleasure to work with. They're easy to work with. Communication is wide open and Dennis does a great job. He's always available and he's quick to do, to do what he needs to do.Coatings distributor · Central America
Which companies or brands stand out as most innovative?14
I know AkzoNobel is always bringing new product to conferences and presentations at the boat shows, so I … know at least two or three new products are put in the market by AkzoNobel and I don't know any from the competitors. So it means that AkzoNobel is more innovative. Like the gloss finish primer. It's something that the other producer don't do. The sprayable filler is something that others don't do. Innovation. Yes, I may think about AkzoNobel.Superyacht builder · Europe
The one that we have on our boat now is a, it's supposedly a water-based version of the Biocop TF. It seems to be holding up really well. … a lot of people are concerned about water base versus chemical base. And, you know, some of the yards here in the harbour are bordered by apartments on both sides. And so the water base is a the smell that you don't get with a water based product that you do get with a chemical based product. That's going to be a big factor for them, having a product that works very well, that is not, you know, super smell heavy, is going to be good.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Have you ever heard about spray filler? Is that something which rings a bell? … Yeah, you see, there we go again. They ask you to make this kind of interviews. They should have given you at least basic information on what they're doing. … Sorry, this is classic Awlgrip. There we go, Awlgrip, International, you know. They invented something which, well, they invented something, yes, they did, which allows our industry to build boats. or to treat the surface much quicker than like we're doing right now. As you may know, super yachts, the main difference between a bulk carrier and a super yacht is the interior and exterior finish. Super yachts look like they do because of the fairing process. … This fairing process is applied by hand, which takes a lot of manpower and a lot of waste of the product. And they have now a flagship project in the Netherlands called REV, a 200 meter vessel, the largest we have ever produced. … And they invented something that you can apply this basic compound, the filler, by gun, which is very revolutionary. It actually works. And if they do good and push that hard, especially in the newbuild process, … I do believe they're getting back on the front foot, to be honest with you. … This is so, so revolutionary.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
That is a game changer, that is already a game changer. Let's see what they make out of it.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
we probably have quite a high number of … the spray filler machines in Turkey in operation. … we have now four in use in Turkey. And we were probably maybe the first, actually we bought the first one ourselves … and gave it to one of the big yards that we do so much business with … We actually finance the whole thing … They don't own the machine. We own it.Coatings distributor · Europe
we financed the filler machines because then we could secure … the filler business is not so important because we make almost no margin on filler. But once we secure the filler, the rest of the project comes to us. … it's like a loss leader for us that we present to the yards, here's your machine. … Here's your filler, at the ridiculous low price, but then we will sell you the other stuff, the primers, the top coats, et cetera.Coatings distributor · Europe
it speeds up the process, it reduces your labor cost, because, listen, if you're talking about painting a 70 meter boat, … you're going to probably apply 30 tons of filler on it, okay? And imagine just the workmanship of actually picking it up and putting it on the surface of 30 tons of filler of a massive structure, irregular shaped.Coatings distributor · Europe
That machine, we were rejected in the beginning, big time, because the contractors didn't want it. … I don't know how to use it. I don't want to do that. My system is not like that. … Once you always go to a boatyard with a new thing, the typical answer is always like that. The project manager says, listen, I have maybe 20 problems in front of me that I need to solve, and your new idea is not one of them. … but … we were … able to sell the idea eventually.Coatings distributor · Europe
In regards to product quality and evolution of product and whatnot, I think they're about the same. I don't see any huge innovative moves by either. And I don't know how much more innovation can, you can only do so many things to paint, right?Coatings distributor · North America
The most, I think the priority is the anti-fouling in general. Okay, first we also think about international. The anti-fouling is the first product that all the manufacturers need to be keen for and making sure because it's in direct contact with the water, depending on the regulation of the countries, it can be better or worse, all these things. So on the anti-fouling battle, there is, I think, maybe the most are international, Jotun, maybe Boero also.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Just being more deep in the automotive side of AkzoNobel for the last couple of years, you know, we're new to spraying these campers in-house in terms of spraying the automotive side, the Awlgrip side from my dad. I mean, the boat yard is like, Flintstones technology. It's like we've been spraying the same paint for 20 years. And that's a good thing in some extent, because it like, it works, it works. At Truckhouse, my company, I mean, we're always looking for the newest, best technology, trying to save, you know, save time, create a better finish.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I know Awlgrip's product line, but when you're spraying a 60 foot boat, it's like a hard thing to experiment, you know, like, oh, we should try Awlcraft 2000 or we should try this with the clear, it's like it's a high consequence paint job if you have to start over. It's, you know, $10,000 in material and $10,000 in labour to sand it back down and start over.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Now that we're getting our new booth assembled, like we spray a lot of test panels. We do a lot of testing now that would be more applicable for trying new products and change.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Can't say they all have their uniqueness, yeah, yeah, yeah.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
What most influences your choice of coatings brand, and which sources of information do you trust most?47
From the customers side … we are a very customer service … distributor and many of our customers prefer to buy from one spot. We make it really easy for them, you know, we ship really well, we pack really well, we're easy to deal with, we have great customer service. … lots of customers would … prefer to buy their complete package from one distributor. But again, us as a company, we put our energy into a brand that we believe really strongly in and train and learn about it. So we keep promoting that one … we can quite often just be like, this is why we're doing this one. This is why we want to have this one. This is why you should … support this one. This is why you should have it. All the great things that the brand does for you.Coatings distributor · North America
Also the commercial people is very capable, so they immediately reacted very well and … on that side, they are very good. They follow you, they continue to do follow up, so if there is a chance they will take it. They are good salesman.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think we are talking about the big paint manufacturer with good branding, with good perception. So sometime I don't find the problem I find the same result if I talking about Awlgrip or Nippon Paint. I don't have a problem about this. It's talking about putting the same for Axalta. No one said no, Axalta don't prefer. If I talk with my customer, talk about Jotun or Awlgrip their confidence with both free, I can be free. To use it where I need where I want.Superyacht builder · Europe
We do a lot of on LinkedIn and Instagram, Facebook, but also in the Jachtbouw Nederland, it's a magazine, a Dutch magazine. And the onboard magazine we're sometimes in, especially when there are international trade shows, then we make sure that we have an article in the onboard magazine. … we have a close relationship with CCS. It's a painting consultancy company. Also … our account managers. … And then, of course, leads from the AkzoNobel sales team.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm loyal to... Sea Hawk, I guess (?). I'm not so loyal to the product as I am the people that are in place that support the product. The product is good. There is no doubt. Pettit makes a very good paint as well. I like the guys that are the local reps for Pettit as well.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I'm very partial to the Sea Hawk brand because of the guys that are available to me through Sea Hawk. They are now part of the AkzoNobel family, which is great. They've been integrated in. And there are a few guys in the AkzoNobel family who are, I wouldn't call them local, but the bosses, the heads up above the guys that are local here that I know through a couple of our, you know, annual distributor shows and that sort of thing that I like. I have phone numbers for them if we ever need anything. But it's the people behind the products that have been the most influential in keeping us loyal to the brand.Refit yard / applicator · North America
It's a very, as far as I'm aware, it's a very basic, you know, chemical product. There's a lot of companies that make it. The backing, the people, the, you know, the availability of the reps and the knowledge of everybody. And again, now that it's all AkzoNobel. I can call one guy for three different product lines, and generally speaking, they have the answer. You know, so it's eased us into kind of a more narrow lane of applied coatings, but it's definitely the people that keep our alliance more so than the products. The products are great. We have no issue with them. But the products can be replicated by other companies and the people seem not to be.Refit yard / applicator · North America
As far as choosing a product … No, not really. Everybody, so we use 3 distributors for probably 95% if not more of our purchases. … as far as the AkzoNobel products go, I'm pretty sure that our local hubs for all three distributors have paint mixing, like colour mixing ability. And so that takes for the Awlgrip, if we need a specific colour that doesn't come in a kit, you know, off the shelf kit, they can all mix it. If we give them enough, you know, more than an hour or so notice, they can mix it and have it to us.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Take note, Mark, there is no loyalty in our industry.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The paint application company. The paint application company is the one who's leading the way without any doubt. Then you have the consultants, then you have the consultants or so-called inspectors, which is getting out of hand since over the last five years, everybody who's … painting their living room now as a paint inspector. That's what didn't happen in my days. And there's much less influence. To make that very clear, one of the five biggest paint application companies says, we're using that product, don't use the other one. That's it.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And those projects allowed us a reputation, which we actually couldn't move away from. … So that reputation was our catalyst in actually continue investing in the brand of Awlgrip, regardless of who owned it or how they operated it, as long as … we knew that the entity was fully aware that this is the best product in the market and it needs to stay that way.Coatings distributor · Europe
We always try to do better. I always … tell to my coworkers, my colleagues, … okay, you know what? We always have to set the bar ourselves. Okay? If your competitor one day sets the bar, then you're done.Coatings distributor · Europe
No it did I kind of swayed it more in that direction and primarily … Honestly, it was because my relationship with my salesman, which he stole our salesman. We've had different sales, guys over the years and they've all done a fair enough job. But, the gentleman that I have now is kind of, he sees the world a little differently. He's outstanding at marketing, and he's given me a lot of ideas. So it's kind of I'm big on relationships, so he's kind of … Aided my company in growing and I it's hard for me to want to look in a different direction, you know.Chandlery & retail · North America
It's ever since I taken over the business. I've had the same rep and we've always worked great together. He supported everything that I was trying to do above and beyond like, to the point that … He would on a personal level would give me ideas for other things. Not even, just how to Market to paint because it, you know, like it's the same delivery system. The marketing plan that we're gonna have, but it applied to different segments of our inventory.Chandlery & retail · North America
Yeah, it's just it's been hard. I let's I could say it exactly like this. It's been hard for me to buy other … Brands paint. And it's not because they're not trying because I … Pettit paint. … They're banging that our door for years and we kind of the young man that I have. … Managing the store at the moment. … I remember being in issues. you could kind of strike a deal with one of these reps that seems too good to be true because they want to get, you know, back on the Shelf. And I just keep telling them that we're not going in that direction.Chandlery & retail · North America
They've done and I say, they but only my salesman has done the biggest job in earning and maintaining my business.Chandlery & retail · North America
I like working with stable companies. Stable companies make life easy. If I don't have to constantly be worried about are they going to sell the next day or management turnover or constantly retraining their own employees. I like working with those types of companies. Again, we do our very best to pick companies that have well-respected brands in our market in the marine space.Coatings distributor · North America
We have chosen not to go the private brand route with anything, coatings and or not. We want to sell brands that are well known, well respected, and we don't add them to our portfolio unless we believe it is a top tier product. And do we miss some market share versus our competitors? Maybe. But at the end of the day, we stand behind the brands we carry. And again, we don't add them to our portfolio if we don't believe in them.Coatings distributor · North America
Once somebody's hooked on a brand, it is so hard to get them off of it, whether we want to or not, it's just that's they're creatures of habit. And just like anything, and I experienced this in my own personal life. You know, my grandfather drove Japanese cars, so I believe in Japanese motors. You know what I mean? It's just stuff like that, that I think that that still transitions over into the marine world.Coatings distributor · North America
If somebody's looking through fair lenses, they're going to say they're all good products. They all perform well. I just prefer this brand.Coatings distributor · North America
Because of like a perfect storm here. … if you look at the map of Massachusetts, you got Cape Cod that sticks out like a big arm, right? And we're the last exit with real marine and trailer support before you cross the bridge. And it's a different world over there. … So the reps will stop here a lot as like their take a break before they cross. So I get a lot of their ear then.Chandlery & retail · North America
In the springtime, now this year they didn't do it local to me, but traditionally first week of March, … they do a product training seminar. They do a hotel, restaurant, a banquet hall, what have you. And there's really good information passed at those events as well.Chandlery & retail · North America
I want to know more than the average bear. This isn't obvious. This isn't my last stop in life, I guess, is where I'm going. And eventually I'd like to transition myself into a role like that because I know a **** ton about this bottom paint stuff.Chandlery & retail · North America
You go to the shows as well and you take in as much as you can there because you have a big forum of reps that if one of them doesn't know the answer, they're all standing there. So like if I got like the tough, tough question, I hate to wait that long in the year, but usually you can get that stuff sorted out. They do a big consumer show. for a distributor retailers account, so to speak, on in Connecticut at the casino and Interlux … I mean, they put on their, … they're a gold level sponsor, the event, they give away like an ATV, they give away TVs. Last year, might have been the year before, they had like a digital Awlgrip spray booth.Chandlery & retail · North America
Word of mouth and trial and error. So like, you know, we haven't done any independent paint studies here. We've taken the plywood, painted strips on it of different bottom paints, sunk it in at the marina. Should we? Maybe. Are we gonna? Never.Chandlery & retail · North America
I'd like to be able to get my hands on some of those results. I know they do it. I know they were doing it down near URI, University of Rhode Island, was doing some tests on some stuff. And it'd be interesting to see what actually, what the raw data supports, not just the line I feed people.Chandlery & retail · North America
please, it's better to buy French than European product. But well, it's something that it's not so, it's not the key argument. The key argument today on the yachting is the price.Coatings distributor · Europe
Today the end user is looking more the price effect that the maybe the Quality of the product, even each year, when they will take out the boat out of water to apply a new antifouling. … with the well-known brand like Boero or International, they will say, OK. The coating is is a is a in the good is good, good situation and so on, but I bet it's so expensive that maybe OK to lose a little bit of quality, but if it if the brand may make. do the job, okay, no matter of quality.Coatings distributor · Europe
we know that some customers of [company] Maria are using when you are going in the shop, but also on the web, you see that they are promoting the well-known brand with some key promotion. important promotion, sorry, but it's also a way to propose after their own brands. So they will say, okay, I use the well known brand like Boero International, mainly International to push after their own brands.Coatings distributor · Europe
All you know is what your friends tell you or someone else used, right?Private yacht owner
Once I heard about the new product, the HDT, I reached out to the local shipyard who I have a good relationship with. They've done a lot of work for me, but they can't handle my boat. It's too big to haul out. So it was very unbiased. They said, hey, we've heard this is the best, we haven't used it yet.Private yacht owner
Talking to Alex, who would say, very honestly, hey, these guys have used it. They're super good. Don't worry about it. When we went to Renegade, he said, oh, I've checked with them, I've talked to their boss, I've seen some of the boats they sprayed. These guys know what they're doing. Don't worry about it. You're covered. It's going to be awesome. And so that kind of personal reassurance was huge because again, like I know what I like, I know what looks good, but going into the process, I don't … know.Private yacht owner
When we have something to recommend to the clients, and when a client, we have something very, very I consider very good that the clients come back to us as paint applicators usually. So when you get to a point of building a good trust, sometimes they even ask, what should I put on the boat?Refit yard / applicator · Europe
When they ask to us, we of course go with a company that has our back, okay, that supports us. That's the most important because when you are on certain size of a vessel, you want backup because you need a good post-sale service, you need good guarantee system, good technical support, all of this we spoke before. And also the critical path, sometimes it goes towards the bad side and you need to have the support. So we always go with companies that we know they will have our back.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
we usually recommend two or three products, well, paint manufacturers and then products. … for us, when we get the information, we get the information from the formations, we get from them, we need the formation from areas like The Superyacht Forum (Amsterdam/METSTRADE) or the superyacht forum/event in Palma, for example, that that's where we get the information.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
For me, I could say social media or so, but it is not the case because I use for personal use, not for work. And for me, our biggest point is not their speeches or their things, it's the time they come to the training for us. This is when we learn, of course, when you will are speaking with … Estrella or with Jason or this, you end up learning about their situation, what they have new, and you get informed.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Jason, he's in Palma and he's a technical commercial. So you are with him. He speaks about the product. You are interested. I see it in the internet. Also, most of the time, it's our own painters because they like what they do. And they also are speaking about new products. So we get the information for that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The high-level standard of quality is the main part of our decisions. … What other shipyards are using around the corner is none of my interest. When our product is or our finishes are good, that's what we want to.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It's first hand experience. Yes, 100% nothing else. Yeah, 100%. We've tried some stuff that the reps have recommended. So the only way we would actually try something different is if they, for example, AkzoNobel or Pettit came out and said I tell you what. We will pay the guys both for free. If there's an issue, we will pay for the sanding and reapplication, whatever he wants. Then we'll try something. We're like, yeah, but or we check it on our work boats and see what happens. But other than that, it's too costly.Refit yard / applicator · North America
You can't just do it on one boat, but then you really don't have a good sample size depending on the use of the boat, where it goes, like you have to do a broad number of boats and then that's the scary part. So it's like if we could control it and help use one brand, right, we would maybe have more. We don't know, you know, the prior condition at the bottom, where it goes, how much it's used, is it a powerboat or a sailboat? It's there's so many variables in one boat. You know, we have many customers that are, you could have two customers similar boats and come back and tell you completely opposite things based on their opinions. And it may be because they had a diver scrub it or they're over in another place where they get more barnacles and the other guys here in the Marina where we get hardly any growth. It's so hard to judge what actually is good.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I'm a huge car guy. So I watch all sorts of car television shows, hot rod shops. … I was very familiar with the brand primarily because of Awlgrip. And then, you know, I like, big hot rod guy, you know, a company in Utah, which they spray AkzoNobel, which they spray $1,000,000 cars. And there's definitely some social media, brand influence that's happening in the paint world.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I am personally, yeah, personally not product specific, that one over the other. There are leaders that I would recommend based on feedback, knowledge, and understanding of what the product will do for the customer. The rest of it would be more based on their use and their application for it.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
What it does, it empowers the presenter or the salesperson with backup that both the manufacturer and the salesperson are saying the same story and that both doing the recommendation, it just enforces the product and the decision making for the customer.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
we do a lot of research to try to find out that we have the answers for them. The composition of the panes, and so these are all notes that are available to all salespeople to refer to so that they don't get the wrong, give the wrong answers. And if we don't know it, we'll tell them and we'll look it up.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
Our rule of thumb is: if you've used a product and you're relatively happy, stick with it because you know it.Chandlery & retail · North America
We used to have a regional sailing magazine. It was often read by the retirees and we have a lot of old engineers and they're always chasing perfection. And anytime the magazine would come out, I would read it and then I knew what people were going to come in asking for. And sometimes they're not wrong, but there's an equally good product.Chandlery & retail · North America
I'm very happy and I'm a good position to have international and Awlgrip, two of the best.Coatings distributor · Europe
What would make you switch away from your current or preferred brand?42
No, that's a big … portion of it. The support that we get from the reps allowed us to build the market share in Canada and allows us to support the brand with our dealers. So, you know, today, if something drastic were to happen today with their offerings, like aluminum, like the aluminum one is a real struggle for us. And we often, we are having conversations about do we need to take something else on? … we're losing, it's affecting our brand sales. But so if something more drastic than that was to happen … we're business people, we have to run a business, we have to have products for our, so there's loyalty to those sales reps, but … if we don't have the product, we can't do it, obviously. So it only goes so far. But yes, that … plays a huge part in it. And then today with the market share that we have and what we've developed, there's no need to change brands as long as we can have the product. The product's great.Coatings distributor · North America
In the last, last couple of years, yes, we're getting more pressure than that in the last all of 30 years because of this gap in aluminum paint. So we are getting, we are getting customers that are saying … should we be looking at something else? Should we get something else to go up against the competitor? The problem is, of course, Health Canada, we can only get what is approved. … how long is it going to be until Interlux has something that we can … use, we thought it would be sooner than this, and we're a little bit surprised at how long or taken aback by how long it's taken.Coatings distributor · North America
Like all the habits to change, to change your habits, you need time and you need a little push. Every day, a little push, every day, a little push every day and you will change. Not something that can be done in one month. It's something that can be done in five years.Superyacht builder · Europe
Yes. Yes, we have tested, but the test is not finished yet. … Let's say that the test will go well and the first time that we are haul out the yacht, the antifouling will be there. All of it or in a acceptable percentage, the top coat will look good. If there is a problem, the technical surveyor would come one day after all these things and then you need to … deal with commercial economically.Superyacht builder · Europe
We think about the volume that we have. So if we have a new line, we are thinking, OK, it is a new line because the another one go out. So try to have the same balance. Between the paint manufacturer to maintain an equilibrium. Or if we improve our production with another line, sometimes we... think about that. So, maybe we prefer to have another because there are too much with the one paint with one. Don't have too many. Difference, and to have for us, don't depend with the paint manufacturer only.Superyacht builder · Europe
The agreement because the AkzoNobel. have for the top coating a different approach instead of the other competitor. Sometimes it's difficult to sit down with AkzoNobel and have an agreement for the full system. So, they have their policy that for the top coat, they leave their... Local seller. For us, this is a... Not easy to manage. We prefer to talk with the paint manufacturer to have an agreement of the full system and then apply. At our contractor, that agreement. It's more difficult if they are free. to contract the price directly from the local seller.Superyacht builder · Europe
Yeah, if the demand is not there anymore. … we do a lot of things with international as well. And we also have 4 deco stores that are also AkzoNobel products. So we are really an AkzoNobel focused company. So I think that's a bit hard to say. But yeah, I think it's important if the demand is shifting that we team up with AkzoNobel and to change the demand to AkzoNobel again.Coatings distributor · Europe
I wouldn't necessarily say that any of the vendors, any of our distributors would influence our … our choice in material, other than, you know, two or three steps removed in that sense where I didn't want to deal with any of our vendors for warranty issues on any of the products when they said they weren't going to warranty those house brands. … That was definitely, I mean, that was the catalyst that kicked off us switching over. Because if not, we'd still probably be using house branded Pettit paints because they work very, very good. And they are priced, you know, they were at the time, incredibly competitive, you know, 20 or $30 a gallon, less than the branded products.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Yeah, sure, of course. I mean, we are, I am as allegiant as I can be to their products and the people that support their products. And I don't, I think that the probability of us changing is very low, but I mean, yeah, of course the company could make some sort of move that we disagree with. They could change pricing. They could, you know, realistically, even pricing changes, unless it was astronomical, probably wouldn't be a deal breaker because our industry can support kind of price fluctuation.Refit yard / applicator · North America
You know, it's like. … You go to your favourite restaurant or, you know, filling up, get your car with your favourite brand of gas. It's all good until there's a reason to look elsewhere. You know, as long as nobody presents me with a reason to look elsewhere, I won't, because I feel like the products are good, the service is good, the pricing is good. That's now an entire area of my day-to-day, which is very broad, that I don't have to think about. You know, I don't think about who picks up our trash. I don't think about who writes our insurance. I don't think about who sells us paint because I know that it's all just handled and it works. And so it's one less thing for me to think about. So unless Akzo (AkzoNobel) made a choice that forced me to reconsider that, then I have no reason to reconsider that.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Then we go back to decisions. You know, it comes hand in hand. If you have the top three paint companies in the world, the application companies saying, I don't like it, we don't want to use it, the paint supplying company is in trouble.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Bear in mind, we are doing toys, Mark. We are doing toys for 500 million EUR. We're not doing ambulances, which they have to work. If you buy a Bugatti for 3 million EUR, you can be sure that the multi-billionaire drives it at least … once a week to get some cigarettes or whatsoever. You have billionaires with yachts over over 200 million Euros, and they haven't used it over the last three years.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We generally do not ever switch a brand until the customer goes, I was not happy. … The problem is the customer is not happy. So the solution is to try and make them happy. So one of the options is, well, if you weren't happy with product A, maybe your unhappiness comes from product A. So we will try product B. … if the person's not unhappy, there's no reason for me to change because there's generally not a technical reason to change.Coatings consultant
Switch away. I mean, they would have to be lack of support would be the big thing if I need an answer, if I need a little bit of marketing support and I can't get it out of the company and I'm supporting the company. and the other, I do have Pettit … Literally banging on my door, trying to get my business. That would probably be the only way that … that would happen is if I lost the support that I've become accustomed to. … short of the product becoming inferior, but I don't think that's really going to happen. … For me, it's the support.Chandlery & retail · North America
If there's considerable demand, we support we it's always been my objective to kind of pick a product that we believe in that we know we could buy and have, you know, reasonable margin. … Obviously, the more buying power, I have the better margin I can obtain. So we get behind Brands and we get behind products.Chandlery & retail · North America
Say, hypothetically, another, a paint company appeared, and they did a fine job marketing on social media and people start coming in and asking for the product. I'll get about three people will ask me before. I feel like I have to have it on the Shelf.Chandlery & retail · North America
I don't want to say that we don't look at an Interlux customer and say, well, I'm going to convert you to Pettit. We do that if that's what they're open to. But if they're also open to, hey, are you open to another Akzo brand, Sea Hawk? Absolutely, we do that too and do it a lot. Again, my job is to make sure that they buy their paint from [company] ([company] and Supply Co) and Seacoast, not from one of my competitors.Coatings distributor · North America
Kind of impossible. … They're an institution here, you know, we're very, we're known for stocking it … You can't sell it if you don't have it, you know, so we keep quite a bit on the shelf.Chandlery & retail · North America
I've talked to them at the shows, I've talked to them at the training seminars they hold locally, I've talked to them on my sales floor. … And they all go, I know, I didn't make this decision. That was dumb. And you can send that to somebody that makes decisions. That was dumb because you had a customer base, you owned them. They couldn't leave you. And then you said, oh, we don't need you. We'll get new customers. And that goes back to everything I just said earlier that they don't … work with their existing customer base. They're always looking to grow into new customers and they're ignoring a massive part of the market doing that. And I really think that's true. I really do.Chandlery & retail · North America
People don't want to repaint their entire boat if they got a scratch down the side because you changed colors. And then … The sheen level between, you know, the Pettit top is different than what the Brightside was, is different than what the Toplac was. And granted, they're all different products, but my goodness, it's just, and I get that they don't ever have to face the customer. I understand that. They don't have to stand there and tell them we can't get it. The paint you've used for years is gone.Chandlery & retail · North America
It generates a little bit of hostility at the counter. They think we're making it up. I'm not making this up. Why would I lie to you? You know, and it puts the … retailer in an interesting position where we have done it one way for all this time. We've got them in their paint system. We got them buying the product. We got them happy. And they just go, nope, no more. We're not making that color. And there's no rebuttal, no comeuppance, no sounding board from the actual people that are working with … The guys painting their boats. That's a tough one. It's a tough one to overcome.Chandlery & retail · North America
I can understand that the final customers say, okay, I won't pay. For a place that I will need to replace next year.Coatings distributor · Europe
I would say I'm not loyal to any brand at all. I'm only looking for the best product that's going to give me the best, you know, look, quality, and … longevity and, you know, value all that kind of stuff.Private yacht owner
If the shipyards had said, hey, you should go with this new international product or this new, you know, Alexseal is twice as good, you know, you'd probably go that way as long as, you know, it's also available and repairable and it meets all the other criteria, because that is important. Like on my boat, we have so many toys, and we have 5 jet skis and tenders and wakeboarding boats and foils and all kinds of junk, that we do ding things and we do scratch the paint. … We have to be able to repair it.Private yacht owner
No, I mean, I don't, there's no reason for me to change unless there's a reason.Private yacht owner
I I switch to a different project product every every time to be honest with you. OK, because I have... It's true that for me, I put in value all these things, okay? But the loyalty for me is towards something that, as I told to you, has my back, supports, give us this, and my loyalty is to brands of the industry who act like this, OK, not only to Awlgrip, so.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I honestly adapt. Okay, as I told you, I adapt to, okay, you want to do the crossing and do the season and come back to the Mediterranean and do the season and you want to be four years back and forth and you need to polish the boat every certain time, or you do a lot of parties because the boat is a charter and every time is damaged on the boat. So I adapt to what you need in that case.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think it's these two points. It's technical support. Also, when it gets difficult or we get problems or if we have... problems with the... some point of products or the application - we never had that before, but that would make it difficult to use it on. … The product itself, it's important, the quality of the product. If that high level standard is not... come in any more than we can't use it, but I hope that will never happen.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Would price be a factor? No, I would say, yeah, at some point maybe, but... We mainly have clients that are... in coating in general, we have a very big amount when we look at the product at the project - at all of time and man hours - that we saw the product itself, the coatings or the fillers are not the big part of the project.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It wouldn't be us switching. Like I said, it's the customer what he's got on his boat and what you know to be able to switch. So here's the double edged sword. So be able to switch between one product and the other product. Pettit says, oh, my paint is not compliable with AkzoNobel. And vice versa. So ****, it's written on the paint and you can't use it between X to use this paint. You've got to send it back down to base and reapply. I'm not going to recommend that.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The only reason we'll probably switch is if we had a major issue like one year we had, you know, if we have. If we had a complete failure on multiple boats, then we would look at options. But otherwise it would take a lot of conviction.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I think too we have had a lot of people switch that asked for the environmentally friendly ones. Literally went with the hydro coat Hydrocoat for a lot of people. I know we were liking it because the smell and like it's less. I've had many customers say I want something that's not as poisonous for the for the for the creek where I keep my boat and so they like that super ablative water-based paint. I've had more people because of that than any other reason.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I think, I don't think they would switch willy-nilly either. And I also think, you know, I mean, you guys probably know this more than me, but it seems like once you get familiar with the system, it's like it becomes comfortable. Switching is difficult, to be honest with you. We got all these toners, we understand, we got the computer, we sprayed it. You know, not all paints behave exactly the same, even if they're in the same category.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
If we started having failures would be another reason. Like we were having paint failures, we were having clear coat chalking, we were having, you know, bad interlayer bonding, flaking, anything like that would be - I mean, we wouldn't just be like, oh, we want to switch. We'd be like, hey, we're having problems. What are we doing wrong? And if it turned out to not be an Sapplicator problem, but more of a chemical problem, then I think we would be looking for a better solution. In 20 years, that hasn't happened yet.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
No, it's what is the customer looking for and then narrowing it down to a very few choices that would apply best to their needs. Then depending on the availability and where they travel. So if they take a paint here and they're going to go to Australia, Is that pain going to be available in Australia, going to be something entirely different? So a well-represented product is more often recommended based on availability everywhere versus, yeah, a smaller type brand.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
In a perfect world, a lot of the stuff we sell is pretty toxic. So if there was an ecologically sound product that still performed, I've seen a lot of those products come to market and then leave the market because they just didn't hold up.Chandlery & retail · North America
I come from a blue collar background and I really see value as important. And then with just myself, just being an independent distributor, being able to purchase that value and provide something I believe in to a customer at a reasonable price point is kind of core to my, I'm not here to make money if I don't believe it's honest money.Chandlery & retail · North America
To change all my knowledge of international and Awlgrip products, how to work even what is not written in the paper. I know how to work with it if it's not 20 degrees like written on the data sheet. We have now 30 degrees. This is not written, but I know how to do. … all this knowledge I have in my head or on papers. And if there's something to tell the client and he is believing what I tell is true. You don't change, with all this knowledge, you don't change the company.Coatings distributor · Europe
There is a handful distributor. … I don't like this person. But he's a Hempel distributor. It seems to be I don't like Hempel, also due to the distributor. You understand me? It's personal. So I never would go to sell Hempel tomorrow. We have international, that hopes international and Awlgrip or AkzoNobel will remain on the market. And I have no reason to change something like that.Coatings distributor · Europe
If for some reason Seahawk or Awlgrip go down the drain and everybody, 90% of the people start using Alexseal, then I'm gonna have to shift to that, you know? But I don't. I don't see it happening unless some kind of tragedy happens to the company, I don't see it happening. They're very solid. They're very good as far as their product. So why change if I put myself on the shoes of the clients? Why change something that's working perfect? unless they can, unless somebody can deliver to me the same quality at half the price, I wouldn't, I wouldn't change.Coatings distributor · Central America
AkzoNobel files for bankruptcy, quality issues. I mean, to be honest, I don't see, I don't see a way where we shift. I don't. I don't even see a way that if for some reason Alexseal would start to get subtraction that we would try to bring that in and have the two brands. I wouldn't. I wouldn't play with that.Coatings distributor · Central America
Unless my sales go down 90% because I talked to the guys at the yard and they're like, I'm sorry man, but everybody here is using Alexseal. I mean, there is no absolutely no reason why I would switch.Coatings distributor · Central America
How important is sustainability becoming - for you, your customers, and what is driving it?50
Some of them, for sure, times are changing, absolutely, but it's mostly … our boat yards and our dealers … they want a product that works, that's not too much labor, where you don't have to pull the boat, necessarily pull the boat out more often, like they won't be happy if the product is more environmentally friendly, but you've got to now pull the boat out every six months to repaint it. … And I think a lot of our customers are like, if it's okay in the US and it's okay in Europe, why isn't it okay in Canada.Coatings distributor · North America
Same answer. But yeah, because … if I go to a boat show … the only input that arrives to me in that regard is from them. I don't know if it is because they speak louder or with more attractive colors.Superyacht builder · Europe
Not from the customer, I think. More from government than from customers.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think now everybody start to feel this some of the sustainability of the boat. So I think that is important, but … is not correct. In the painting, in the yacht painting, we don't feel, don't find alternative now.Superyacht builder · Europe
Now there isn't alternative at that kind of product because I have epoxy filler, I have polyurethane top coat for that kind of boat and I don't know and the paint manufacturer don't maybe sell or remove the market alternative.Superyacht builder · Europe
Our feel is sustainability is important, but in that … in the painting. External painting, we're talking about external painting. Today we don't have a good alternative for what we are doing.Superyacht builder · Europe
Innovation, I think they need to focus on innovation as well, and especially sustainability. And because the big boat builders are really focused on sustainability, but also on the safety of their staff. … How safe it is to work with the products? And that's what we see with new brands coming into the industry. They compare themselves with, for example, AkzoNobel and Alexseal, and then they show, oh, our product is much better for your staff members because this and this and this and this.Coatings distributor · Europe
Yes, environmental sustainability is, but that's why they have to use biocide-free antifouling as well. So they did come up with some products and they also have a new product, a gloss finish primer, which eliminates one other layer of paint. … I think, but of course, more focus on those products is necessary, but I think they're also looking into a new product now. They include us sometimes with the testing since we are in an area that is really difficult. The water is really difficult, so they always test the product here.Coatings distributor · Europe
For me specifically, the only reason that it is important is because I can get a fine if I have product on the shelf that is over those limits, and I don't have an explanation for why we have it. … I've got to have, I have to have the ability to get a product that is compliant in our area for a cost that is palatable and ensure that that product works.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Personally, I don't know, nor do I really care what the extent of a paint, what the difference in the environmental impact is on a paint that has 290 VOC or 500 VOC. And I honestly have 0 desire to find out, because the only thing that limits what quantity of VOC we can use is the size of the boat or who owns it.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I don't understand why. There's A 70 foot commercial sport fisher in the middle of my yard now that I can paint with any paint I want because it's commercial versus a private boat that's 58 feet right next to it that can't because it's 2 feet shorter or it's privately owned. That doesn't make a whole lot of sense. … The only reason that we pay attention to those rules, even though we think they're silly, is because they are the rules that we abide by.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Very. Very.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
No, no, we, I mean, again, this is very, very, it goes very far what you're asking about. Again, we're doing toys and everybody has a good feeling if we're doing something for our beloved polar bears. … I'm driving a 5.7 liter, 500 horsepower Hemi, which takes 30 liters for 100 kilometers. But I switched it to a gas tank. So now I have an eco badge. … So I can go into Barcelona City. I feel very, very good about it. I'm still blowing 30 liters into the air. Do you understand what I mean? But I have the same eco badge like a Toyota Prius, which is ridiculous.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think we switched years ago from applying from conventional guns … to electrostatic guns, okay? And which provides a less fuming, less overspray. Yes, it is better for the environment. It is less product goes into the environment. … It was for us, but we didn't change a single thing. There are still shipyards painting in the water. You know, the big shipyards like we do, we have a strict policy, we don't do that anymore. We cannot do that. Go to Palma de Mallorca, the ship was ghost into the water, it's ******* ridiculous.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
It is mostly driven by international environmental laws or national laws. It is, look, you have two or three vessels around now, and when they're building new boats and new fuel systems, sailing is a big thing now, again, you know, you have first eco yacht which runs without any … Carbon dioxide, of course, there is a... There is an aim to do better.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
There's one guy or two guys who's spending 100 million EUR more to make their super yacht eco-friendly, but there are 70 other ones produced in Italy, which they don't really give a ****. You know what I mean? It's a process and it will take a long, long time. Until … standards are set to make this better.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Especially the shipyards and also the companies producing products for this industry. And of course, they're doing, look at teak, for example, you know, there's no more teak left in the world. … But we had to reach that point until now we have products that look exactly the same. … are cheaper and are friendly for the polar bears, you know. But we had to reach the point that there's no more teak left / original teak. You want to build a super yacht? I want original teak. They don't care about the money. … You can always get, now there's a point, you can't get it anymore because nothing, there's nothing left.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Is it a driver there? Zero. Unless the law changes. … You're buying 100 metre super yacht. Don't ******* ******** yourself about putting some environmentally friendly paint on it. You're burning like 2000 litres of fuel an hour. You don't pay any tax on your fuel. … The yards don't care either. The yards care if they get laws passed down to them to stop doing things.Coatings consultant
I think if so. So going back to the Pettit Hydrocoat, they that was how they led that water-based anti-fouling. … How they LED that product in the market, they really pushed on the fact that it's a little more eco-friendly. So I think when what it's marketed and people feel good about it and they also feel like it's going to work then I think they're on board but for the most part I would say they're not too concerned with it they don't want something that's gonna harm the environment. But they're also way more concerned about how it's going to perform than they are about the environment.Chandlery & retail · North America
It is only if it's really driven by the state. And we have some states that are more aware of or think they're on the cutting edge of going green and whatnot. I would say the Chesapeake in general is more cognizant of that stuff because they don't want to pollute the bay and all of the conservation behind that. But again, my personal opinion is we're dealing with major corporations, Akzo, MRT, several others. They're not in the business of destroying the world. So I don't overreact personally to that type of stuff.Coatings distributor · North America
Right now it doesn't drive our purchasing decisions.Coatings distributor · North America
Bottom paint by definition damages marine life. So to me, I can understand wanting to have a cleaner environment for our future generations, but at the same time, I got to make money now. So I need a product that works. And do I care about the environment? Of course. But do I want the customer to have the, what they paid for? You know, they don't want to yank it out covered in barnacles and expletive.Chandlery & retail · North America
In my particular experience, performance is more important to me. I get it, but it feels like over the years, like the government yo-yos these chemicals where you're allowed to use them one year, you can't use them the next, this administration, that administration. So I don't really know the answer. I don't really know how you get around … flip-floppy government regulations, and then crunchy-ass environmental groups coming after you.Chandlery & retail · North America
People pay for performance. They pay for the paint to work. So I would say that that would be the benchmark for me personally. Again, environment's important. Animals are important. Marine life's important. Leaving a better future for my daughter is important. … But I gotta pay for her, you know, clothes and her book and all that stuff now, so I need it to work.Chandlery & retail · North America
the Manufacturer like Akzo. I have a tricky challenge to figure out in the future, because I think that our customer, but also the end user, I think he's now waiting for a product with a well with a good price, but also a product that is now concerns on sustainability. Because the sea and the ocean is maybe the... … it's the image of the environment and it's when you imagine the impacts on the environment on some products, of course, you will say, okay, the forest and so on, but ocean and season are maybe the reflect of the impact on our consumption on the environment.Coatings distributor · Europe
we are waiting for this manufacturer to develop some products with a commitment to this sustainable approach and to be sure that when you have you have some paintings that are some which when you are using it … disappeared a little bit. It's because it's natural of the product. So we know that's that now in ocean, we have some antifouling floating everywhere. But we all know that the product is not so good for the environment.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think that all the regulation in Europe and so on today are not some … We have some constraints, but today regulation are not so... Just, you have still some flexibility and to find some … Easy to solve.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'd say I don't want stuff that's gonna continually pollute the world. But in terms of the process of producing it, manufacturing it, that kind of stuff. My opinion is that that sustainability is... Companies that are selling sustainability are really deluding themselves. Like, I don't think they're solving anything. Like, you know, Germany goes green and they produce everything in China.Private yacht owner
It's great to use cleaner, better products that don't pollute as much or don't use the chemicals that are quite as nasty. But sometimes using the nastier chemicals and processing them properly is less impactful in the long run than using crappier product that you have to apply every five years. So I think it's a very balanced, you know, it takes a balance and a longer term view than what a lot of companies try to sell you with the product.Private yacht owner
Certainly, durability and longevity are much more important than a company being able to sell sustainability. As long as they're not, you know, dumping junk in the river, and that sort of thing.Private yacht owner
is going as quick as the generation of captains and the business thing is changing because I don't have the same mentality that they used to have my father, for example, or with the captains is the same or the engineers. Okay, because the anti-fouling, for example, is something that the engineer decides. So I think every time is going to get more sustainability, but also being clear, not everybody cares about the environment.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
And if you have, for example, a 70 meter motor yacht consuming a lot of, I'm producing a lot of CO2. Let's be honest, this is maybe not going to be the most important thing, to be honest.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
When I got into this industry, I used to be very, I was a bit of a tree hugger, okay? But when I got into this industry, it was a bit shocking for me.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think the regulations is what's going to make everybody make the products more sustainable, because if, again, who is having this 80 meter boat doing what is like producing a little bit of contamination or so, maybe he doesn't care really much about... is what I may think this industry is not, but, but of course, to organize the answer, the is the preferences are changing because the younger or the newer generations, maybe they are more they have that more that sustainable idea in their priorities. So yes, that is changing. But honestly, I think it's going to be more the weight on the regulations than not on the preferences, is what I think.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Yeah, very important. Very important and I think it will become more important in the future. We also do... prototyping with AkzoNobel or for AkzoNobel. I think we started four years ago by using Intersleek 1100SR in the sport boating and made prototypes together with AkzoNobel. These boats are used since 3 1/2 years now and the result is very good.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We try to develop... together with AkzoNobel. We push sustainability in the yachting industry. And want to be a kind of a leading shipyard in that, so... to look in the future. So we are all young guys, around 30, and want to do that for a long time. So we have to focus on that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think in some parts, coating high gloss, it's very difficult to have a sustainable product itself. I think sustainability in coating is also long-lasting - when you have a long-lasting product... than it is sustainability or more sustainable than a short lasting product which you have to recoat after five years because the trash production beside coating a boat is very much so. I think if you reduce recoatings, it's kind of sustainable.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I think so, yeah. We make a lot of samples here. They care. Yeah, the environment and the power. I have a full powerboaters. So the catch 22, the powerboat is all going for a harder paint on the bottom of the boat, which doesn't come off and hurt the environment per SE on the bottom, but it's just a more VOC toxic environment in terms of the application. Once it's in the water, it's actually better.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Yeah, they're worried about the ones that are worried are worried about the wastewaters are going in the landfills. It's got this, you know, toxic thing.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Two totally different markets here. Ryan and James are two vastly different arenas. So one is totally driven by price and they like to say it's environmental, but environmental is the eco is actually the hybrid eco is super expensive. Yeah, it's expensive. It's expensive for expensive. All right. Just pay so that point is mute. But you know, I think it is like the bit of like altruistic like, oh, you know, the green like this and that.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Honestly, I mean, we spray water-based, which is a good change for us. It's obviously still a epoxy primer from Awlgrip. It's epoxy and mould coating. It's a solvent sealer and a solvent base coat. So, you know, I don't really personally associate painting with being environmentally friendly. The water-based stuff is definitely better for the environment, lower VOCs. At our scale, we're a pretty small producer of HAPS and VOCs.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
We've experimented with some bio-based epoxy infusion resins and stuff outside of the paint world. But yeah, I would say I don't necessarily associate paint companies with environmentally friendly kind of in general.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
It'd be great to have some, you know, a less environmental impact. You know, our vehicles are used to explore, you know, open land, and we want to take care of the environment the best we can, but we also want to make sure we're creating an heirloom product that's going to last forever. So those things don't necessarily always go together in terms of, you know, sometimes the stuff that's harder for the environment makes a product that's going to last longer and therefore it doesn't go into an RV graveyard. So it's finding that balance.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Yes, but it brings other things with it. So yes, people want to know about sustainability, being able to get it. They also, because of the severe growth, want to know which is going to work well for them. So that takes away from the brand sometimes. And it's sometimes a bit of a challenge to communicate that with the customer.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
if people ask why does this paint work better than that paint, we can of course try to go into all the technical details of the composition of the product. It really starts confusing them. You don't want to over-educate them because... Half of them come in the store and they already know everything because of YouTube. And that's not necessarily the right answer or the right information they got. So sometimes it's a little bit of a challenge to tell people, well, this paint was specifically developed for this type of region or these type of waters. And not all paints say that. Some of them are better at it than others.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
The one thing was the extra chemical for the slime resistance that both Pettit and I believe AkzoNobel is marketing as Biolux. But it was made up that that paint was, you know, it was a premium paint and we did recommend that because we do in the summers, you know, get quite a bit of waterline growth. And there isn't really a great, since it's been banned, there isn't a great product in the market that really satisfies that.Chandlery & retail · North America
We are very on biologic, also food, everything should be bio and the epoxies, we reduce the part of the oil and we reduce it and we change it to vegetable oil. … produce epoxy with vegetable oil … This sounds very well. It sounds bio. And now we are green and everything is fine. It's not the truth, but this is in the head.Coatings distributor · Europe
Also the paints, if you're bringing all your paint you made in the spring, in the winter, it's not anymore on the boat. Where does it go? It should be bio. Then we are happy. And silicon is going in this way, but silicon has not a good name for water, to be in water. Everybody is thinking, when we have silicon somewhere on the hand and we touch somewhere, now you can't paint it anymore. It's silicon on it, and that's dangerous. So silicon has a bad name, and we want to make a good antifouling for that.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's driven by regulation, and it's also driven by consciousness more and more. … I think it's across, it's across the line. I think in our company group we just recently started maybe two years ago we started this whole sustainability project and it's and it involves everybody around the companies of the group and it's, it's got to be and when we say sustainability, it not only has to do with the environment, right, it's got to do with your responsibility towards the society. towards the well-being, yeah, everything. So, there's the natural part, there's the society part, and then there's the business ethic part, that kind of thing.Coatings distributor · Central America
There are regulations here in this country that are already in place that are not harsh, but they try to obviously try to keep the environment clean. But there's also a sense of responsibility from us as well. So funny that you mentioned that we're already starting to shift towards boat soaps that are not only biodegradable, but marine safe, because I just recently learned that there's two different biodegradable stages. one's biodegradable, but the other one's biodegradable and marine safe.Coatings distributor · Central America
Looking ahead, what should coatings brands improve or deliver, and how should they support your business in future?60
A hard … anti-fouling would be nice. They used to have fiberglass bottom coat. It was a pretty strong seller. They really shrunk that product up like 3, four years ago. … I would say aluminum, a hard paint, and then the single season coating. They have bottom coat and then the ablative, the multi-season ablative right now is actually a pretty good. … There's something to be said for not having too many SKUs … which as a distributor, we appreciate as long as the whole realm of everything's covered, which it's not right now. We've got … this major gap with aluminum … a hard coating would be good.Coatings distributor · North America
Back to what we were just talking about, a little bit more of a complete offering to fill all of our holes. Love to see … more margin somehow. I don't know how they do that, but some way for us to be able to make a decent amount of money. … we have, we get, we're shipping all across Canada as well. So we get a lot of damage. Our … couriers are terrible. They're dropping cases of paints. It's … anti-fouling is a very heavy paint. And so you drop that, the lid pops right off and the cans are destroyed. … it's low margin, it's expensive to ship, it's heavy and expensive to ship. It would be nice if our dealers could make a little bit more money if we could make a little bit more money.Coatings distributor · North America
Marketing is a great thing. I don't think they do too bad … again, because we're a distributor. We do some great marketing towards our dealers, and we're starting to do more and more towards the end user, but we really rely on the factory to do that end user marketing for pull-through. … in our marketplace, it's pretty well known. Everybody knows what Interlux is. But when … their new product for aluminum comes out, I hope they'll do a big push on marketing so that everybody and their dog knows that it's out and ready to buy.Coatings distributor · North America
By reducing the number of products necessary for the cycle for the process. … The gloss finish primer … is almost allowing us to avoid the show coat, so it's taking one step out of the process. So that's a good thing. The sprayable filler … it makes everything quicker. It avoids sanding.Superyacht builder · Europe
We are as shipbuilders, we would like to have less step in the process, less products. I would like to have a filler that I spray and it's already paint, you know, something like that. It's like a child dream, you know? … I would like to make everything in one coat. I will accept to polish after. But I would like to have only one coat.Superyacht builder · Europe
The filling and painting of the superstructure (or exterior) is the activity that takes more. So the critical part of super yacht construction is done by the steel construction. And the filler and paint. Everything else stays inside, stays in the shade, as we say. So if something is reducing the complexity of that activity, it's beneficial.Superyacht builder · Europe
For sure, the sustainability. because it's something that is only timing that became really important. And another thing is try to improve automatically system or … We can see more efficient system on this world of painting, because we have from ages the same people that sending, apply the priming, apply the filler, so something that can help the shipyard with the new building to improve the system. We know that AkzoNobel have the spray filler, but we think it's not enough For who? For shipyard that don't have directly employee directly is already main worker.Superyacht builder · Europe
So, for us is... Although difficult to ask to our contractor to use that product, so something that could help. I think about. Then, still an aluminium project. The paint manufacturer could improve system to have a sort, this is maybe only my personally, could help us to say that we can scan the yacht, the raw yacht. The raw hull in steel and the aluminium have a 3D model. of the boat and a new 3D of the how the boat could be. At the end, with the filler, apply, and this, and give us the tools to filler the boat in that sense.Superyacht builder · Europe
I think they need to look into their pricing strategy as I see that's a big issue lately that the building a yacht is really expensive and they want to cut in the cost for several aspects and Awlgrip is expensive. So I think that's the pricing strategy they might need to look into.Coatings distributor · Europe
Maybe look into a more technical team or, … if someone doesn't have experience yet, but then maybe they can just teach them or yeah, because that's what we do as well. Sometimes we have a account manager that comes in and they don't know anything yet. They just work in our store for a few years and then they learn everything about your products, about the company. … There are some times people that don't have experience with a higher title, and then they are on places in the AkzoNobel chain, but they don't really know things about the products. They are smart, but … it's a really difficult industry to operate in.Coatings distributor · Europe
Clear communication, really team up if they're promoting a new product. So make your distributors part of the promotion of new products, because we need to promote products as well.Coatings distributor · Europe
The coatings, the underwater coatings industry, there are some areas of that that AkzoNobel does not have. They've got this spray. … it's basically like spray paint and Pettit has them as well, but they suck. They don't work. They fall off. Divers scrub them off because they don't know what it is. Which is another area I think that these companies could probably do a little bit better would be get some involvement in their marketing or care of product to the divers in a lot of these areas.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We are of a mindset here if we would rather have happy customers that come back to us when they are ready and spend money as they see fit, rather than trying to extract every dollar we can now and then they never call us again. So if, you know, we can say to somebody, hey, man, you know, here's some paperwork or some information to give to the diver, or, you know, there's an outreach programme for the diver and that's going to extend you by six months having to repaint the boat. The customers are going to be happy and they're going to spend more money with us based off of a trust that's built in the relationship.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I do believe that... I think it's technically possible. I do believe that we all in the future should look into the environment. I'm a hippie by heart, even if I'm telling what I'm driving. So I do believe the future will be water-based somehow. But water-based in the water sounds a bit strange, as you may imagine.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
What we all aiming for is to make it environmental friendly. … You will suspect now that I would say stuff like longevity, whatever. No. My business is to paint this thing every three years. So I don't want to paint, which is lasting 8, nine years. You promise it's anonymous. So I'm being very honest here with you. … If you would ask an owner, an owner's representative, he would tell you like, oh, I don't want to paint this every three years. It's own shiny again. Yeah, but I want that, you know. So of course, there's a conflict of interest.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I mean, the main part is, they really should look into their presence. The guiding presence when it comes to technical processes, yeah. Again, don't get me wrong, they're doing a lot of workshops and they're inviting crews, they're inviting painting application companies and and and. But it cannot happen that I'm having a representative here in Barcelona. … and calling with a specific problem and the guy is reading his spreadsheet. Buddy, I know that better than yourself. So don't read what I can ******* read. Give me an answer, you know. And this is the main problem of AkzoNobel.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
No, no, careful. … Guys, let's again, let's not mix that. Their international brand is loved by all of us.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
the ease of application is probably crucial. The speed in application … because that corresponds directly into our cost. … So then we can say that, listen, I'm selling you a very expensive but very good product, but then I'm offering you this ease of application advantage that is going to actually … make my product even better price than some of the others.Coatings distributor · Europe
if there are other areas where we can actually find improvements in application … can we look into other areas where we can probably … maybe use different equipment to apply better. If there are areas that we can actually do away or reduce the human factor, the human error factor in application. So all of those, I think, are crucial.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think they come … hand in hand. You cannot really isolate, when the filler machine came, obviously the filler needed to be applicable to that machine. So I don't think these are separate issues.Coatings distributor · Europe
It's a very conservative business. I mean, the whole basecoat-clear situation … started in cars 40 years ago, and it's only now coming into our market. For no other reason that … everyone's like, we do as we always do. So to change things, even if to change, even to make things better, becomes a, it becomes a struggle because the painter's first reaction and the yard is like, yeah, but it's different. Why? Don't change what isn't bust. … there's not a big enough driver for them to change.Coatings consultant
The biggest driver, one of the big drivers is production speed and production manpower. Because it's a hands-on job and every hands-on job is running out of people. And they can talk about robots and AI all they want, but the day a super yacht is made by a robot will be … your grandchildren's time, because of the capital investment cost of making a robot instead of having 250 guys doing that … the robot's never going to be cheaper. Unless the robot makes the robot … there's a raw material cost here and there's a development cost that somebody wants some money back. … To paint a boat quicker is a big thing. … Arguably, we could paint boats quicker and better. But again, there's this reluctance from the market to change.Coatings consultant
The absolute one thing that they could do for me that they're not doing right now would be just to to start price protecting portions of their line. … Making, making it where we didn't have to compete as much and it could be a double-edged sword, because now, we don't have an edge over other competition, but if they could put a lot more margin and a lot more people's Pockets. I think people, naturally jump on board.Chandlery & retail · North America
I think you want to create more loyalty, you become a little more reliable about letting dealers maintain margin.Chandlery & retail · North America
I think the, I don't disagree with the philosophy of taking their, you know, quote unquote Flagship type products and saying, all right, these products, we're not going to let them get, you know, poured out in the market, we're gonna let them make money on it. … So even if they introduce the idea say on the Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) or Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One). … I think the right move … I've been thinking about this for years and I've suggested it to my Interlux rep, but I don't think it's I don't know how much sway over that he would have. … I think the smart move would be to protect the higher end of the line and starting with Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) and Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) would be the most logical thing. I guess that said it would also probably make sense to mirror that on the Sea Hawk label.Chandlery & retail · North America
When the brand does, such a good job at marketing and positioning themselves in the market, that the demand is there for the brand, the guy's not coming in the door and saying, … Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One) is $329 everywhere. I go I'm not buying it. It's like well that guy came in concerned about Interlux Micron antifouling product line (SPC, CSC, Aqua One). He's not going to not buy it. If we're talking a 30 or $40 difference … They've done such a good job, building a reputation for the brand and for that product, they put all the money in marketing.Chandlery & retail · North America
AkzoNobel/Interlux should be able to make more money. The distributor should be able to make more money and the dealer should be able to make more money. That's the way I feel like it should work out. … To me if the sticker could remain a little higher I think there could be a little more room for everybody to make money and if you're making money, you're going to support the product.Chandlery & retail · North America
They're putting all that money into marketing the products, right? So if they if AkzoNobel can squeeze another $2.50 per gallon sold … How much more marketing could they do to squash their competition?Chandlery & retail · North America
I think, currently the Interlux line has a couple of holes in it, … Pettit Hydrocoat is it's from my perspective. The only competition that I can't fill the Gap with Interlux products. … Analogs had Micron WA. … The water-based high copper multi-season ablative and they eliminated it from the line. I'm not sure why but that product … It kind of fit right in there. It was exactly what I needed it to be.Chandlery & retail · North America
The Toplac paint line, so far so good as far as the quality of the product and the ease of use … And they should be offering all of those Brightside colours in that product. It's been around since as before I was there, the line was there and people come in all the time asking for the colours, I can't get it for them or if they make it an Easypoxy, I have to order the Easypoxy … The better product. … So, just be mindful about … Holes in there and their offerings. I would say.Chandlery & retail · North America
All the coding brands work with a variety of distributors, so I certainly understand trying to stay neutral in regards to who they … don't want to be in the business of directing customers, right? And that is my fear right now of Akzo not reinstating us also being able to offer Interlux and Awlgrip, I feel it's directing, or could be directing some customers to work with one distributor over another, just by the fact that they don't, or that we don't offer it.Coatings distributor · North America
I would prefer to be introducing them to your entire or their entire portfolio, just like the other guy's entire portfolio. Without saying it, I'd like it to be recognized that, and I think it is, and I think it's becoming more of that, that we are a large, very valuable supplier in this area that can influence purchasing decisions when necessary.Coatings distributor · North America
They could use something that answers in the Interlux line, the Pettit product, Hydrocoat Eco (Pettit). That would have been the Micron Navigator, their performance water-based ablative. That's really all I could ask for, because people come in and they want the Hydrocoat Eco (Pettit). … There really isn't. I mean, I guess I could shoehorn them into like a Colorkote (Sea Hawk) type paint. I mean, maybe a Monterey, but Monterey ain't the right, it ain't like that. But that's really what's out of their whole product line. That's the glaring hole.Chandlery & retail · North America
They tend to ignore the repeat customer and just drive home the new customer. But I mean, if they put some marketing like, you know, that on the can. … I've never actually had the ear of any of you guys that do this type of stuff, but like I've been customer facing with this bottom paint gig for like 20 years, man. And that is a challenge, you know, to keep people coming back.Chandlery & retail · North America
There's something there, man, for sure. I mean, I don't have a business degree. I'm not uneducated, but I'm not like college grad. And I can tell you there's a problem there. And somebody with a degree in sales and management and business management should be able to pin down a better pathway to the retail shelf.Chandlery & retail · North America
This is the first concern we have with international, but the second one, as I said, it's maybe a lack of innovation to be sure that we have today a wide range, but complete and in which is matching to the final final end user needs. Today we think that on some … area, we are missing some products that were that we had before, but not anymore because AXO Akzo decided to streamline the offer. It's quite understandable because it's also for economic reason. But they are not able to propose some adequate alternative, I would say.Coatings distributor · Europe
VC 17 for instance, VC 17 and also the Perfection Pro. … This is a two example, another the more technical, but when I understand the, I'm trying to understand the sales rep concerns, it is on these two kind of products.Coatings distributor · Europe
it's a huge, huge company. So, when you are working with this kind of company, you have to accept that they are more direct and with more economical ratios and so on. So we need to accept that, but they also need to be open-minded to say, okay, it's not because you have some well-known products that... You are not, you must also propose new products, also some changes and to support more the market.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm going to talk to Alex more about, you know, ongoing maintenance and how to protect it and ensure that it stays good. … I think that is super helpful. You know, like on most boats, like the owners don't actually do the waxing and the maintenance and the cleaning. Like, it's good to have like a one-page sheet that you can hand off to a captain or a cleaning crew and just say, hey, here are the rules. Don't use the crap that you use on other guys' boats. This is what we use on my boat.Private yacht owner
I mean, it seems like they just, they just, you know, continually improve slowly over time.Private yacht owner
No. We are pretty well, we had a very good treatment from them, honestly. And I'm, I don't have, we in Spanish say hair in the tongue. Like if I have something to say, I say.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I don't think that they don't listen to the applicator, okay? Because is the feedback of the experts, like applicators or surveyors, that make them improve the project, the products. But of course, it can always be a little bit more. Because sometimes you have certain needs or certain limitations or benefits or so that not other companies have, and you... They, as I told you, they listen to you and I'm sure they take it serious and they use the feedback, but that can always be improved.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Their branding is good also. They do good events. You go to Amsterdam, you go to Monaco, you go to anywhere you go and you see them, you are with them, they make some event or some party for you. So they are where they are. They have the position they have for certain reason.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
We as paint applicators, we are very lucky for the exact question that you are doing because it's for sure that is going to be the paint manufacturers who will need to be adapting to the new regulations and new needs, okay? … Is until when the paint is going to be with the characteristics that it is now and the way it is being applied. Because if the regulation is changing with the velocity that it is doing, what we need for sure from them is to keep improving their project or their products in order to the sustainability.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
What's going to happen if they are not allowed to use thinners or solvents or things like this. And for me, what I believe that the industry needs is the manufacturers to keep making sustainable products, to keep improving and reducing the CO2 emissions, the footprint.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
What we need is this, and for me, what I request to them is this, to be focused, that to be their priority, because we will be there, but we need to have, and the industry needs to have a balance between sustainability and long-lasting and high gloss, all these things, and it's not going to be easy because the paint with the automobilistic industry, with the cars is one thing, but they are on a garage, they are on the city, on the shadow, but a vessel is constant under bad conditions. And it needs to end up being a product that looks good, performs good, it's sustainable, and it's easy to apply. It's also important to think about that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
What I would love to see in the future is that the pollution... that the burden on the employees, the stuff in the air... that the work environment by coating becomes more healthy, or they try to reduce... bad stuff for healthiness for our employees. … We see that in the car industry... coming more and more that they try to reduce... volatile organic compounds (VOCs).Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Like I was thinking is where you said that, uh, eco is something that would make us switch as if there was a paint that, uh, you could put on everything you could put on, uh, you know, metals and fiberglass, you know that that would maybe be the only thing that would push us over the edge to try something different in my eyes. Something you could put on fiberglass and on a trim tab in the vendor, you know, and that would hold up, yeah.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Ron's point a plant that can go on a paint that can go on that can safely go on metals and fiberglass.Refit yard / applicator · North America
My other one would be durable. I love the eco can go on everything, but we have inside storage boats and you put a sander onto the bottom of that. The whole damn building is the same color as the bottom. Yeah, just hard because any of those paints that are safe are super ablative. So it's a catch 22.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The non, the non copper is, you know, non-cuprous oxide is a big, uh, I think a big market. Painting a lot of underwater metal.Refit yard / applicator · North America
At Truckhouse versus the Boatyard, we are looking for what's new, what's best. We're a young crew growing a company quickly. So I imagine there'll be some innovation in the field that we're curious about. It would be nice to be able to experiment with that innovation, not in-house, like show up at an AkzoNobel training facility and spray their material on their test samples and then validate.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
If you give me new material and then my painter and me are reading the TDS and then we're in the booth together and then we go, that stuff's really thin, we ran that, let's get a new test panel. Ends up being really costly to switch. Whereas if you're going to a training facility, maybe you get brushed up on the products you actually use for half a day or a day, and then the next day, like, by the way, here's all this new ****. You know, kind of a tailored solution. We know what you guys spray. We know how much you spray. We know how big the projects are. We know you're happy with your current system, but we have this, this, this, and this, and we think you should spray it in our booth on our test panels because we think it's going to make you more money, better product, blah, blah, blah, blah. Would be super enticing.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
One of the things that I could probably say that would really be beneficial to somebody like us, and we could work with people like AkzoNobel, is more tests for the Caribbean area. Which pains? Let's do a test of all the pains. Let's Document it, let's get a record of it. This is something people ask for a lot: which works, which doesn't work, why does it work? So, more information like that is good for our particular area. because of the heavy fouling that we get. And that is probably an area where we're short, with AkzoNobel, we're a little shorter than with Pettit on that, for example, because of the tests they've done. I could highly recommend, yeah, let's get some more statistics out.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
maybe some more education online as well, where salespeople and customers both could maybe fill in their desires and their needs and get the recommendations of which paints are good. If that is available online, then we could actually on a computer say, okay, well, let's go step through this process. And we do this on paper in store, but then we step through the process, okay, well, you got this kind of a boat, you got this kind of a travelling you're doing, you got this type of requirements that you have. And then, okay, well, these would be perfect pains from AkzoNobel as a result. And if it already exists, you should tell me because I don't think it does.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
The most thing we spoke about, this is new products in research, don't get bad, don't change the quality to cheaper. … We are, we should keep the premium product name and the difference of Awlgrip and Perfection of international. This is great. It's working.Coatings distributor · Europe
Your team in Germany to help me is very good. Research of new products you should think about, especially in antifouling, below water. On top, we are great. It's below water where the problem is.Coatings distributor · Europe
The transport system in the moment, this is a very, very … bad moment. And I think if there are not contracts of transporting for AkzoNobel and they made big contracts, then it's a bad contract and I can't change anything. But if it's possible to change the chain of transport to a direct chain, that should be possible, that should be payable, and this would be the first we should change. … Back to the Dutch transporters.Coatings distributor · Europe
If I don't have the material to sell, this is my business. It could be the best material. If we don't have it, we can't send it. And if you have like delivery time in spring, nobody, no boatyard is exacting that it's possible.Coatings distributor · Europe
Getting more involved on the fishing tournaments as sponsors or having a little bit more presence here, definitely try to keep the once a year training or at least once a year visit or where we have them over and go over questions and in certain situations and that will definitely help. It'll make everybody know that we are supported and then that they have our backs.Coatings distributor · Central America
Which brands are best positioned to lead the market over the next three to five years?12
Our competitor isn't Jotun, for example. But Alexseal, so we need … Alexseal customers are not our customers either, so they are both potential customers for both AkzoNobel and for us, so we need to make sure that we get those customers in again.Coatings distributor · Europe
Jotun's new team started a few months ago. They're really active on promoting the brands, getting testing boats, but … this is a newer brand. They need to get more name recognition and show people results of their products, because … if there are no long term results of their products, then people don't really believe in it yet. They need to see the products on the long term first.Coatings distributor · Europe
I think that all of the brands under the AkzoNobel umbrella, at least that we use already, are very well positioned, at least in our area, for the future. We've worked with … some test products, we've got our own boat that we use for pickups and deliveries, has some test product on. It's been there about a year and a half now.Refit yard / applicator · North America
When it comes to paint, which means the final product. … But what can I tell you? It's still Awlgrip. It is the biggest brand. They, it's still the name. … But slightly and slowly, it's just the name, and then maybe we should work on that one.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
The same as now. … No, no one's going to come in. In five years, no way. And no one's going to fall out because the thing about the paint, the painter things is, even if something goes very wrong with Alexseal, it won't go wrong with all the painters in Alexseal, just like for the same reason that some painters don't want to use Akzo, but other painters are quite happy using Akzo. … there's enough, and the cake gets bigger every year here. We're not in a market where the cake is a fixed size. Every year this cake gets bigger. So there's enough slices to go around for everybody.Coatings consultant
I don't know if I have the answer to that question, to be honest with you. Again, so much of this is geography driven. Because I don't supply in Florida. I don't know what their world is in my world. All I can say is it's my belief one sales team is pounding the street a little harder than another sales team.Coatings distributor · North America
In regards to product quality and evolution of product and whatnot, I think they're about the same. I don't see any huge innovative moves by either. And I don't know how much more innovation can, you can only do so many things to paint, right? So I think there's, I'd say in regards to who has the opportunity, it's 50-50. It's whose sales team is going to work harder and which distributor is going to make sure that product gets into the street.Coatings distributor · North America
Clearly the starting point is Awlgrip. Right? I mean, that's the, that's what's on there. It's worked great. … Unless someone really leapfrogs them in terms of quality or something, something that's a huge deal. But no, I mean, I don't, there's no reason for me to change unless there's a reason.Private yacht owner
for yachting, maybe international can be more or better positioned international in that sense, and maybe in terms of, what's it called, like the big ships, containment ships, commercial ships, transport. This may, maybe I think Jotun is more well positioned on that. And Boero, I also mentioned Boero because I don't, I cannot tell you exactly in where they have more or less weight, but I know that it's one of their focus and they are doing a very good job on that.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
On the top code. On the topcoat, then the strongest ones is the one that are going to be better than the ones in more that have more market share or that they have more products in the industry. At the end, they have more rotation, more feedback, more deep. Right now, I think Awlgrip is still the one with the most and below Alexseal, for example, that we also mentioned before.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
these products that are being applied constantly and this is the product that is going to be easier for them because they are going to have more feedback, more testing, different environments. The ones in South Africa, ones in up in the north, so they will have a lot of feedback. And I think they are, and also because economically they are maybe the ones, I don't know internally how everybody has their wallet, but I guess they are the ones the most powerful with the most muscle to adapt.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Overall we are very lucky to have a... brands or supplier like AkzoNobel beside us, that we can use their products, which are very good. And if they're developing in that kind of way they do it... to the day. That's a very, very good, yeah. We like the product, we like the support, very good.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
If you could give one piece of advice to AkzoNobel (or coatings manufacturers generally), what would it be?23
Be near the customer, our customer is our center. So, this is important, too, and all to be around it.Superyacht builder · Europe
If that is something that would be feasible, I'd say that would be one benefit into protecting their grasp on market share in a lot of these areas is helping the only portion of people that touch their products that don't have any idea what they're doing are the divers. … I've got on my wall certificates of completion from Sea Hawk and Pettit and Interlux and you know, my guys that have been to the Awlgrip school, we get the little papers and stuff. So there is some training that we get.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Those guys getting a little bit of information as to how to take care of things would be good. And it would be more uniform as well. You know, in the area, divers wouldn't kind of be doing their own thing. Or one guy says, oh yeah, you know, oh yeah, I scrub it with steel wool. And it's like, dude, you know how abrasive that is? Like, you should be scrubbing it with like, you know, carpet. … guys do their own thing because they want to send the shiny, you know, the cleanest picture of a bottom as they can, even if it means that customer is going to end up spending thousands of dollars six months earlier than they should.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Their products are good. Their products are on par with or as good as or, you know, however else you want to say it as any of the other products in the industry, but their people are substantially better.Refit yard / applicator · North America
Do your homework and not you guys, but Awlgrip and don't, you know, remember Nokia, you know, they were the leading phone company for in the 90s, there was nobody even getting close and they laid on that one, you know, the CEO once said, we did nothing wrong. … And this can happen in this monstrous industry. … And I think the Awlgrip brand is going to happen very quickly.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
You have to understand, it will apply to newbuilds the spray filler. And if we are lucky, we can maybe this product will advance so we can use it in the refit industry as well. And I wish them all the best and good luck. And regards to Garrett (uncertain - possibly Gerrit/Gareth; senior Awlgrip/AkzoNobel contact) and friends.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I would … look at the immediate need … rather than the biggest need or whatever … with the perspective of our business rather than a macro vision … the immediate need for us to have the better deliveries sorted out, better financing, how can we create that together.Coatings distributor · Europe
lending rate in Turkey is 44%. And I think lending rate in Europe is maybe, I don't know, 5%. So we should be able to find something to do about that.Coatings distributor · Europe
I know, I didn't make this decision. That was dumb. And you can send that to somebody that makes decisions. That was dumb because you had a customer base, you owned them.Chandlery & retail · North America
Not that I want to know the industry secrets, but I want to have an educated answer as to … why this happened. You know, when you go through, when you sit at all the training seminars and then you drink the Kool-Aid and then you translate that into real world sales and then it's snatched. That's a tough one, you know?Chandlery & retail · North America
The market is changing today. I think that international is losing some market share. We are losing some market share. Because sometimes we think that because we are international, that will do the job. But the reality is that some little, some more little brand are gaining some market share. because international is not showing or … supporting the changes of the market.Coatings distributor · Europe
It was unanimous that this was the right product, that it took us, it took someone knowledgeable to apply it and it was harder to apply, but at the end it was better. And Alex made everything easier and better and gave everyone confidence. Like he was a game changer for sure.Private yacht owner
to focus on the environment, to focus on the sustainability, on reducing the footprint, and on and still making a beautiful paint, because if we go towards the sustainability, for example, but not because of sustainability, I don't agree that sustainable products are worse than others. But if the important for me is that the paint is still an important part of a vessel. This is what I think they need to remember. The paint, if the paint loses importance because we go towards a sustainable product, but we don't do it properly and we reduce to match the quality, then the paint is not going to be a priority. Then they are going to make the boat somehow that the important is not the shining. Maybe the important is the shape. So this is what I think they need to keep their focus with the balance between sustainability and performance and aesthetic look, because the aesthetic look is the most important most of the times.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
So they need to make these three things very well aligned, because if not, the paint will lose importance. … Because if something is not important, then people doesn't really care, then people doesn't want to spend money on it. So you end up making some kind of system that you don't need to paint anymore.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I would say less... more of like a homogeneous product line, not such segregation between all these systems. It's not just AkzoNobel that's like that, everybody's like that. They all have specific lines and they don't all necessarily like talk to each other on the computer or. … It wasn't like, you know, it wasn't like, hey, if you're spraying a car that's giant, like you should probably use 545 instead of EP, you know, 250. So I think I understand like the marketing side of it, of like all these little entities, the industrial side, the marine side, the automotive side, but realistically, like, it's funny that, you know, a lot of the Awlgrip products and the AkzoNobel products are like, the same thing really close, but just relabeled.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
I don't think the lines aren't that complicated standalone, like Sikkens by itself or BT (AkzoNobel automotive single-stage line) or Awlgrip. But it's like you lose some capability, at least on our end, if we're not intermixing those lines. And that's where it becomes a bit trickier, I think. And it's like someone more than me knows exactly the chemical difference of this and that, or like, oh, actually, those are the same thing. They're just one's white labelled or... And then you have two separate reps, right? So like the AkzoNobel reps, although are super knowledgeable and know a little bit about Awlgrip, they don't know a ton. And then your Awlgrip reps, super duper knowledgeable about Awlgrip, knows everything, knows a tiny bit about AkzoNobel.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Yeah, keep going through material.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Interaction with the customer, yeah, yeah, yeah. … this could be done on a website. In today's technology, we don't need to, I mean, the individual stores selling it are the front of the customer. You don't want to manufacture it on top of that. It's not in any way needed. But because there's so much technology interaction, something where the store can use something that was developed by the manufacturer to interact and confirm, you know, what is best for the client and how to go about it. It's like the booklet that AkzoNobel did for Awlgrip, the booklet that's there is a wonderful, and the chart, the chart that shows which Awlgrip products need to be mixed with which converter with which reducer, that chart, we replace it every year on the door next to our Awlgrip products, and those are things that are very powerful to not only understand, for the customer to understand, okay, I need that, that, and that, but it also is a sales tool for the selling people to say, oh yeah, I shouldn't forget about this or forget about that. … I can use this reducer because of the temperatures that we're dealing with here. That's really good in Awlgrip. A bit more in anti-fouling paints, yeah.Chandlery & retail · Caribbean
The map pricing would be the number one as an independent dealer. Set the market because you just have even, you know, with the internet now, you can go online and there's products that I, many different AkzoNobel products where if I go Google it, I can find bottompaint.com on the East Coast, we'll ship it for free. And it is a price point that I, you know, it's basically close to what I pay for it. And like to allow those, that competition in the market cheapens their product and does nothing for loyalty with a person like myself to carry their products.Chandlery & retail · North America
Any paint brand that really tries for my business gets it because they work with me. And like Sea Hawk in this case right now has really stepped up and they have, you know, 80% of my market now.Chandlery & retail · North America
Just having channels. As an independent, it would is, you know, this is just from a very focused view, you know, just from my perspective, you know, that just helps me and champion the different, any paint brand that really tries for my business gets it because they work with me.Chandlery & retail · North America
The most thing we spoke about, this is new products in research, don't get bad, don't change the quality to cheaper. … We should keep the premium product name and the difference of Awlgrip and Perfection of international.Coatings distributor · Europe
I'm very happy with what we're doing with them and I hope we can keep moving forward and grow and everything.Coatings distributor · Central America
Pricing, margins and distribution dynamics (price sensitivity, MAP pricing, dealer/wholesale structures).28
We have a lot of volume. So, like it's normal, who win the best prize at the same level of product? No, we choose one instead of another.Superyacht builder · Europe
What we now see is that Alexseal is one of the biggest competitors of Awlgrip. So yeah, our main focus is to show them that Awlgrip is better and to change them. But yeah, that's a price point, yeah, that's the price and the support is the problem there.Coatings distributor · Europe
One thing that one of the products that I sell from Pettit, … Is Pettit Hydrocoat. … they were real strong in that part of the business, water-based anti-fouling. … I won't say as strong as they were, but the price of the product has just continually gone up and up and up, but they've chosen the price protected. … And now, I got down to the point where say, I used to sell 70 gallons of it. I got myself down to the point when I was, where I was selling 10 gallons of it. And now, we've probably gone back up. … You know, somewhere in the middle because instead of selling the customer away from it, they built in a reasonable amount of margin for it without me, having to be concerned about being undersold by a competitor online.Chandlery & retail · North America
So that if I have to give them a plus that is a major plus and they don't do that across the line. They pick a couple of key items and they do that with. But if those are the items that people are asking for, I'm not going to be afraid to sell them.Chandlery & retail · North America
I remember being in issues. you could kind of strike a deal with one of these reps that seems too good to be true because they want to get, you know, back on the Shelf. And I just keep telling them that we're not going in that direction. He's looking at me, like I'm nuts. But it's the whole picture as far as I'm concerned.Chandlery & retail · North America
We know we're going to make good margin on it. Whoever buys it buys it? I don't have a single employee that's actively trying to sell the product so it's just organically happens. We're not going to pull it out of a guy's hand and say yeah you shouldn't buy that. You should buy this.Chandlery & retail · North America
Hydrocode was probably the most demanded paint and I could not make money on it, no matter how hard I tried. I couldn't buy it cheap enough to compete West Marine at the time or Defender, all these a couple other independent giant shops. … It was terrible to sell. They price protected it and I'm back on board. I'll sell it. … Before it was I looked for an Interlux substitute to get away from it.Chandlery & retail · North America
It has an aspect to the situation. I don't... We're not known as going out and saying, I need your cheapest possible product. I have to have a cheap product, which is kind of what Flexdel is. I have to have that to offer it to a customer. For instance, the south side of Long Island, they literally have customers, their customers, so my customers' customers, they'll walk into stores and say, I need paint and I need it to be the cheapest thing. They don't care. You could hand them a bucket of Clorox, but if it goes on paint, they don't care. So there's certain geographies that are like that. Luckily, we don't have many of them.Coatings distributor · North America
If somebody's 100% consider only worried about price, that's a, in my opinion, kind of almost takes sales out of it. You know, it's just a, it oftentimes is a race to the bottom. And I always find it somewhat ironic that in an industry, let's face it, is a disposable income industry. You know, an average boat these days, the cheapest one that's stable is $80,000. So you're going to take an $80,000 investment and throw the cheapest thing possible on it. I mean, that to me is kind of an oxymoron.Coatings distributor · North America
If they're comparing 2 premium products and there's a $20 difference between it and they think they work the same and they think they're both, quality items, and that sometimes can become a conversation. But at the end of the day, you put through a 5% price increase, … most of the time price increases don't scare me. So that obviously we pass that on and the customer has to deal with it at that point, but they've all got to be competitive at the end of the day.Coatings distributor · North America
When a couple years ago you were paying $150 for a premium gallon of paint, and now it's $275. That's a big jump. And that's not a specific example, but that has, it's kind of the reality of it.Coatings distributor · North America
The marine world is getting, I have a lot of concerns that in general, every product category is pricing itself out of the market. And what is boating going to look like in 10, 15 years? … I have friends that have great jobs that can't afford to boat because it's a … that's not a priority for their family. And that once was what drove the boating world is affordability and getting people out to recreate at a relatively decent expense that they could enjoy time and make memories with their family. The whole industry is experiencing possibly pricing itself out of recreation, in my opinion.Coatings distributor · North America
They disowned that program. And I bet you that was to make some shareholders happy. You know, they probably were giving away a little bit of profit. And with copper prices going up, I'm certain that had a lot to do with the decision. … after that, they just gone, no more rebate.Chandlery & retail · North America
They used to do this rebate. … paint rebate. … That was to the end user. So we would give them a piece of paper. They would fill the paper out, then send it in with their receipt and AkzoNobel or Interlux paint, whatever you want to call it, would send them, you know, a credit that they could then, you know, either apply at our Marine store, they could apply wherever they wanted to go shopping.Chandlery & retail · North America
I talked to my Donovan sales rep, sells the Marpac paint and I was like, look, man, gas prices are up. I need a rebate program. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, give me 10 bucks a gallon and we'll do some form of rebate program. He pays him out himself. In that $10, it moves the needle now. You know, that rebate program helped sell Super B Ocean through the Donovan paint line.Chandlery & retail · North America
I kept our paint at retail value this year. It's one of the first seasons we ever didn't do like a competitive price break, but sort of the perfect storm allowed for that with West Marine, you know, slipping into bankruptcy, filing their chapter 11, restructuring, whatever their ultimate game plan is there. Because there's five West Marines within 15 minutes of here. So, you know, competition's stiff.Chandlery & retail · North America
There's guys that come in and they want the best stuff. And I, there's no like, we don't even talk about the price. We just get the paint, put it in the mixer, take their credit card, give them some paint sticks, shake their hand, carry it out, put it in the trunk. You know, the dog and pony show, you play the game. … And, you know, generally that that works with your, you know, your wealthy clients and then, you know, your less than wealthy guys, you know, you're grabbing them a quart of economy bottom paint just so that they can put the boat out.Chandlery & retail · North America
It's an interesting dynamic when you go from, you know, a five hundred dollars a gallon paint with the guy in front of you and the guy behind is struggling, counting change out of his ashtray to, you know, to cover a quart of economy paint.Chandlery & retail · North America
the ledger to own a boat cost a lot and with the inflation, with the, I think the issue of what we call the … market power. … what are the power to purchase today? And with inflation, we know that wages and salaries are not increasing so much as inflation. Today, we know that the boat owner will have to challenge, will have to make some decision, and sometimes it's around cost.Coatings distributor · Europe
The biggest issue for me is being an independent. It's very difficult for me because everything is distributed through a bigger market and there's been consolidation from AkzoNobel buying out, you know, at least four separate companies in the last six years. So I have fewer and fewer options.Chandlery & retail · North America
PPG, the support from PPG, I think they just had issues providing product for their other markets and they kind of forgot about us in a way.Chandlery & retail · North America
There are four regional larger distributors and retailers that deliver. And then I also have Amazon now, and there is a West Marine, which is a big chain store, which is kind of less and less important in the market. … Their reputation is horrible for, they have one of everything on the shelf. If you need a second one, it's two weeks out and their pricing's not great.Chandlery & retail · North America
In stock within a day or two out of Seattle in a warehouse regionally where I can get it for a customer. … It's often, you know, 15, 20% discount to buy these items. So I try to make historical decisions based on historical sales and bring it on for the next year and have my core offerings. 80% of what I think I'm going to sell in the next year, I try to buy ahead of time because it's one of my few advantages being an independent.Chandlery & retail · North America
I really like map pricing. … West System Epoxy. They tell me basically what price I sell it at. And so there is no huge difference between different vendors. … I champion West System Epoxy, which has the reputation of being one of the better epoxies in our market too, just because everybody knows how much they're going to pay and there's no race to the bottom as far as retailing it. But that's hugely important, which I would like to see other vendors kinda set the market.Chandlery & retail · North America
I believe I am a dying breed and everything will be a chain and probably replace me someday.Chandlery & retail · North America
The problem is that learning a new line, especially like with the product numbers and things, it's really kind of a, it's a little more difficult. It's not consumer friendly. So you have to really keep the products, you have to do your homework.Chandlery & retail · North America
Our baseline is the states. We're so close to Florida that, for example, if a gallon of paint costs $250 in the States and I sell it for 500 or 600 bucks and I'm shooting myself in the foot. Now the good thing about paint or this kind of paint is that they won't. Nobody's going to be able to bring it in. They need permits and they it's, yeah, so it's a specialty, really specialty item. So I can mark it up a little bit more, but I gotta be careful obviously cause I can damage the market, but it is price sensitive. People accept 30% more, thirty-five percent more than the cost of the product in states. It's more than that, they feel ripped off or they feel like they can probably get it on their own.Coatings distributor · Central America
We've had certain players here in the country that would buy instead of buying from us, which we were the. Authorized the only authorized distributor in the country. They would go to distributors in Florida and get the paint there because they would get it kind of as the same price as we got it direct from factory. … My purchasing power is not as big as those Donovan Marine or Lewis Marine in the states that buy four times the amount I buy during the year and they get a better discount. So if that one is, it's been hard. We got a little bit more of a discount. So we were a little bit more competitive, but I think we can do better on that one. And it's again, it's nothing for me. It's not for me to make more money, it's for me to be more competitive and to have local. There was a a a boat manufacturer company that that's what they did. They bought, they used to buy a lot of paint because they obviously had to paint new boats. But they would get it for cheaper or the same price that I would get it with like Donovan Marine in the States. So how am I? it was impossible for me to compete.Coatings distributor · Central America
Specific negative experiences with AkzoNobel support or complaint handling.11
No, I don't want to be too negative because I now like the team of AkzoNobel and how they support us. So I think it's more of the team that was there in the past that they … solve things incorrectly and they find it hard to … if they make mistakes themselves, they are, they don't easily say that.Coatings distributor · Europe
Our biggest issue was with the international coatings there for a minute with the Department of Fish and Wildlife, but we pretty much got that squared away through one of our vendors. And … it was problematic and it was real frustrating to want to buy a product from a company that we already deal with. And, you know, obviously, International is a very different company than the other two. But the distributor that we were trying to buy through nationally, or at least regionally, has a rep with international, and they had a hell of a time sourcing this product for us. I mean, they originally it was supposed to be, you know, a couple of weeks. We ended up waiting six or eight weeks for the product. I mean, it was just Nobody could get a phone call through, nobody knew who to call.Refit yard / applicator · North America
That made us not look good. And we ended up figuring it out and getting it going, but that was kind of a headache. … I don't think there's really anything that could have been done differently about that. It's a product line that … it was a bridge that needed to be built, not a bridge that was there originally.Refit yard / applicator · North America
all of a sudden someone just trying to move some boxes of paint, for a few percentage, come into the play and actually blur the whole thing. … That never happens with Jotun. … I think their system is not allowing that. So this is probably one thing that I can think that they're doing better. And I think we should also try to control. I mean, I'm talking about Akzo (AkzoNobel) to control, obviously.Coatings distributor · Europe
Part of the problem was international paint were specifying the wrong product in a certain tank. And I'm still having this argument about why they shouldn't do it. And I've spoken to the technical people and they say the commercial people shouldn't be specifying it. But somewhere along the line, the commercial people don't want to stop specifying it for whatever reason that is. … I've spoken to the technical people and they said, they shouldn't be using it, but I'm having boats coming in that have got it on their boat. It costs you 100,000 pounds to repair this boat. It's a ******* expensive mistake. The problem is the warranty is basically worthless. So the boat gets made, the boat leaves, the tank fails, the owner has to pay to fix it.Coatings consultant
Two or three years ago. We did a newbuild boat, 110 metres. And the boat … went in the dry dock. … we had problems with the anti-fouling. … We'd been on that boat 24-7 when it was being painted. And then when it came out the water and paint started falling off, antifouling … they sort of accused my guy of not doing his job properly, which was an interesting thing based on I have no idea, but just obviously they're trying to blame somebody. The specification had been worded in such a way that it could be interpreted that we were outside specification. But that's only an interpretation … I had a lot of statistical data to back up why I was right and they were very much wrong.Coatings consultant
I made the comment of interesting relationship with Akzo in the last call it 10 years or so. … We had been an Interlux and Awlgrip customer of theirs for 35 years. We had a bit of a difference in business philosophy at the time. And so we had at that point added the Sea Hawk brand, which I think was part ultimately of the difference in business philosophy. And they ultimately made the decision to remove us as being an Akzo distributor at the time. Low and there's a long story there, which I won't go into.Coatings distributor · North America
We've run into an issue where, unfortunately, with AkzoNobel, they. What do you call it? The paint? They have a paint and they have like an eyeball camera that matches coatings, you know, in terms of like finish, you know, paintwork for halls and what. And that that tool kind of went defunct and it's a very valuable tool that saves a lot of time and makes sure that we don't waste our, you know, our time and money as well, you know, applying something that's not the right color. So we've been working with them, but it's been a pretty painful process to try and get a replacement for that almost a year.Refit yard / applicator · North America
I spoke with the people, I spoke with the sales manager, but it seems to be hard to find a better one transport solution.Coatings distributor · Europe
If I say we have autumn … this is something that gets me very nervous and sometimes very angry about this long delivery time. And the bad thing, the office in England, they don't know where the transport is. Nobody gets the information.Coatings distributor · Europe
When we get these pallets that go bad because of them getting hit before we get them to Florida, the whole process of getting that credit note is sometimes a pain.Coatings distributor · Central America
Colour matching and colour service.3
Now we needed a color. Someone had a Ferrari car and there needed to be a color developed that wasn't in our recipe system. And then three weeks in advance, we ask for the recipe. and we don't get a response. They say, okay, we take, we can take a look at it, but then it's regarding 40 gallons of product that we can sell, but because we don't have the answer on what color we need, the projects, like it takes too long. That's something that's a problem. And now we have our technical manager, then he will find a way to see, to look into automotive recipes or something and see how we can change it, but that's not the way.Coatings distributor · Europe
So that process is not a negotiation. That's basically us telling the customer what's going to be applied and what we are comfortable working with because that is what we are comfortable warranting.Refit yard / applicator · North America
We have not so much colors, different colors. With Perfection versus Awlgrip.Coatings distributor · Europe
Regional and regulatory issues (import friction, biocide-free antifouling transition, local market constraints).12
Hempel is the one that has a silicone based bottom paint, which is not a good bottom paint. It's got lots of issues. It works as a bottom paint, but if you have a trailerable boat, it's damaged, it needs repair, you need to take it off. It's really ugly. It's really messy. And so that's where we're struggling today, … that we are losing market share on a product that … we can't get, like Interlux doesn't have a solution for us.Coatings distributor · North America
We've got competitors in the US who are … we have customers here that are bringing paint in from the US that's not approved in Canada. Because our Canadian government says you can't have these paints here, but they're not monitoring it. So we're doing the right thing, but we're losing business to it.Coatings distributor · North America
Health Canada is … archaic, if you will, in their ways of determining whether something is okay for our environment and healthy and all this sort of stuff. They've blocked international paint from producing a product in Canada, or made it very difficult and expensive for them to get up the approvals … for a paint. So they lost the approval on the Trilux paint that we were purchasing, and it's taking them a huge amount of time. It's been three years now, or more, to get the proper approvals … and, also … be comfortable with the amount of money they have to pay to get the approvals, whether the market of Canada is worth it.Coatings distributor · North America
For us as a company, we're not getting the business either way, but we rather the Interlux product be used in Canada than the Hempel product, because then at least when we do get, if we do get the product, then everybody's like, well, we're used to using Interlux. We like the Interlux product, and we just carry on. … we'd rather see customers using the Interlux product than the competitive brand that we know isn't as good. Stay in the family.Coatings distributor · North America
According to our sales rep, they've been testing. They've got a product in them that they're testing on certain boats here and in Europe. And it's working very, very well. But the latest that we heard from management was that … it was in the expense … and they had to go to sort of head office … to say, you know, are you willing to write this check for the Canadian market to have this product in place? … I think the answer they're getting is yes.Coatings distributor · North America
a lot of the things may have been happening before our involvement … because we … are a distributor in Turkey and we cannot be going around the boat designers and project offices worldwide and say, hey, if you're sending a boat, a project to Turkey, please put our … paint system on your specs, we can't do that; that happens over there.Coatings distributor · Europe
In France also, we have some local and local manufacturer. So they are also gaining a lot of market share because they are this French argument, I would say, that they are manufactured and produced in France. So please, it's better to buy French than European product.Coatings distributor · Europe
Yes, we have Schengen, that's correct, but the custom service is not included. We have the frontier, we have custom, we have to pay our VAT if it's coming, and we have to pay the VOC tax also. And a lot of papers. … It's the same like Great Britain after Brexit.Coatings distributor · Europe
International is delivering to Switzerland only four different products. All the others are not allowed in Switzerland. But we have to work with them and it's working.Coatings distributor · Europe
Last year, no, two years ago, we brought to the market a private label product from international. This is a thin film Swiss. And thin film is nearby a replacement of the old VC 17, which is forbidden. And we had to keep the market with something which is working like that. … This was the time 23, 24. We had the stop of the best sold product. Suddenly from autumn to winter, between three months, International decided to not produce any more this product. But for us, it was starting the season. This was awful.Coatings distributor · Europe
One year later, we had a replacement. It's not the same, a replacement, working together with the sales manager from Germany, with [name] Zeller, who's retired now, but we found out that there was a product in the range not sold. It's only prepared for something. And they gave it to us as a private label. I had to get training from international, how do we work with that product? Where are the problems?Coatings distributor · Europe
Today, I have to say, the private label is better sold than all the official international antifouling. Because, of course, we say you have VC 17 on the boat, you can replace this with this product. This helps.Coatings distributor · Europe
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We had this boat builder that ordered some paint and it was a little bit of a challenge to get it in a timeline that we needed. And they didn't make the timeline and they had made some commitments to finish this boat and they actually had somebody drive it all the way up here from … Houston, Texas … all the way to Vancouver. I was locking up one night and I looked … down into our parking lot … and there was a car … just sort of parked all willy nilly in a parking lot. … it was a Texas license plate and he had our the box with the four gallons or two gallons or whatever it was of this special colored paint. And he said he drove straight here with it. … Brad or the rep … didn't even know what was happening. It was just so strange. … Someone just told him, must have told him and said, hey, Western needs this paint. We've committed to get it there. Go get it there. And he just stopped in his car and drove here. And it's a long drive. It was during COVID.Coatings distributor · North America
We are social media, Facebook, social media. We do flyers, Instagram. We have our own, our like dealer B2B flyers that we do several throughout the year, our catalog, our website. Our B2B website. … AkzoNobel, we've done some Instagram posts and they are fast. … They comment like immediately … We post a comment. They're good for that stuff. … They're actually pretty good with that stuff.Coatings distributor · North America
Our trade show, we do our, we have an annual trade show every year, buying show. Interlux or AkzoNobel sponsors one of our functions at that every year. We put big posters up and whatnot. … they do some dealer, more dealer direct stuff with signage and supporting rebates. Consumer rebates, they do well … our rep is very good at doing that dealer from him to the right to the dealer, making sure that they've got what they need and supporting them. A full painting guides, like making sure they've got all that kind of stuff. Paint sticks, you know, paint sticks.Coatings distributor · North America
Can I ask you a question? I may be anonymous. Who are you talking to by applicators? Because I'm pretty sure you're going to have, same like here, you will talk to people who are presenting their company. So which means you're talking maybe to Remy Millott (CEO of GYG, Pinmar's parent) or Nikos Fourakis (spelling unverified; same person referenced twice) or online. or whatsoever. It would be more interesting if we talk to the technical managers because they can tell you things I don't even tell you.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Please write down the name, guys. The name is David Escobar, like the drug dealer. … He is this senior, I don't know what he is. He is this the Sheldon Cooper of paint. … of application. He's working for GYG, which means Pinmar. He speaks perfectly English. And if you really want to know, you talk to that guy. Because he doesn't care what he's applying, he's just applying. … And he has 30 years of experience.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
You're talking, I guess you're talking in this hierarchy, at the moment you're talking to, it's so-called top people like me, or I'm pretty sure I know the names you have on your list, you know, and you should talk to, if Akzo really wants to know, … Talk to these guys. They're the shadows, you know what I mean? They're the ones who make all this happen. … I haven't touched a paint gun in the last 20 years. Why should I? You know, I'm very good at screaming, but I can't paint. You know, these guys, they're running 100, 150 people. … 30 projects simultaneously flying around the world, and facing the problems with this product all the time. So, this is something you should use if you really want to help.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
Again, the last thing we talked about, that is something … which I'm looking very forward to. So you have to understand, it will apply to newbuilds the spray filler. And if we are lucky, we can maybe this product will advance so we can use it in the refit industry as well.Refit yard / applicator · Europe
I can almost assure you it's whatever Alex was selling. So like he has a Delta 70 that has Awlgrip on it. I don't believe it has the HDT because I think it was before that. He has a, we have a 42 foot Hinckley sailboat that it fell off a rack. Hence they had to repaint that. I don't know what he painted that with. That was six or seven years ago.Private yacht owner
Pretty happy when they gave us some samples of that spray that we decided we liked recently. What was that? That was a Pettit / Awlgrip though, wasn't it? Uh, yeah, I think it's a better product. Yeah, you know. Then we tried it. Yeah, we tried it.Refit yard / applicator · North America
The reps are great. The reps we've had are great. Alex is top notch at Awlgrip. I mean, he's awesome. And I like, you know, when I'm complaining about like him not knowing about AkzoNobel, like, I'm not mad at him. It's like, I'm well aware that that's not his scope and that's not what he's told to do as his job. But from someone dealing with two reps from the same, essentially from the same company, it's just like, oh, dang, Alex, you're great. I wish you knew a little bit about this so I could pick your brain on it as well, instead of having to make another phone call.Adjacent-industry manufacturer
Since 2020, we have new regulations and every new regulation should find the way into this MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS). And they don't do that. But we have the law. We have to deliver the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS) to the client. … International and Awlgrip, I would say AkzoNobel, is not prepared to make new MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS) for Switzerland, for the Swiss market. With our regulations in German, in French, and in Italian, we have three languages, but the same regulation in Germany. You have one regulation and one language, and they don't understand that we are … with three languages, and they are all three must be in these regulations.Coatings distributor · Europe
It was till before SAP comes to AkzoNobel. They had it great. It was a very good website. I could fetch the papers myself from this website. And today this website doesn't exist anymore. And the order office, as I told you, they are people with less knowledge of paint. And if I say MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS) for this product, oh, what is that? So there's missing a little bit. This is a new problem since SAP changed … came new to AkzoNobel and they forgot it, I would say. And they started to bring it, but it's still missing a lot of.Coatings distributor · Europe
International doesn't deliver the correct papers or we deliver old papers, but they know that it's old. They don't accept it. And this means they don't sell this product. They give it back. If I send it, it's already there in the store. The paperwork is not correct like the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS), this was the contract, they are allowed to give it back. … Only because of the MSDS (Material Safety Data Sheet / SDS). And unfortunately, they know the papers really very good. They sell a lot of different paints.Coatings distributor · Europe
Every boat yard likes it if you don't have to wash too much in the autumn. If there are no algae and no mussels on the boat, they love it. And that's a good product. In this moment, I get the information, your product was great again this year.Coatings distributor · Europe
In Switzerland, you, even with international paint, you do the coating every year. It's going out in winter time, six months or five months, it's staying in the boatyard. Normally you paint it once and bring it back to water in spring and you use it one year.Coatings distributor · Europe
We learned it in time of COVID. There was very important to have alternates. All the time from the same company, from AkzoNobel, but we have found it. And in the problem times with transport, I do the same. I find alternates. Sometimes I lose the client, that's it. But the most time I can keep it.Coatings distributor · Europe